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[aquaelvis]

I am thinking of getting a 30 06 to add to the stable, I heard they don't make factory non-lead though. Is that true?

[ShooterJohn]

Non-Lead Rifle AmmunitionBrand Name: Federal Premium – Vital ShokCaliber Grain Weight Bullet Style.30-06 Springfield 165 Barnes Triple Shock X-Bullet.30-06 Springfield 180 Barnes Triple Shock X-Bullet

[aquaelvis]

Cool, thanks! Man those aren't cheap. $41 a box at midway. (plus $10 shipping)

[ShooterJohn]

Thant's not what Barnes told the DFG Commission. They said their stuff was even cheaper as I remember.

[nevjohn]

Aqua.... check Wal-Mart. They had those weights here at the Tulare store today... Getting more and more in each day also, they said...Price is less than Midway's by $5 or so, also.

[woodog]

Thant's not what Barnes told the DFG Commission. They said their stuff was even cheaper as I remember.

Be that as it may, or may not be, Barnes has no control over what their wholesale customers will charge to make a buck. Barnes spoke the truth at the F&G hearings. If they have raised their wholesale prices, well they are the only game in town and have the right to participate in free enterprise as do we all. Where the hell are the other manufactures and their non-lead bullets? I've basically had to hang up my .204s because there is no good non-lead stuff available and probably won't be for a long time, if ever. The F&G Commission has basically made the .204 extinct because of the physics involved in creating a bullet heaver that 26 gr that will shoot because of the added length required to get a higher mass. Barnes is not responsible for this non-lead delimma. The ban has been here for eight months now and where are all of the bullets from the other manufactures? Barnes happened to be in the right place at the right time. I believe, even if we finally let Darwin do his job on the condors, that there will be a nation-wide ban on lead in the next five to ten years, or sooner. Lead is bad stuff and the push will be to do the ecologically right thing and ban lead, justified or not. Had Barnes not appeared and spoke truth, in my mind, the ban may have been delayed, but not stopped and no one would be developing lead alternatives except Barnes. SJ and I disagree on what was said by Barnes at that fateful F&G Commission hearing. I invite you all to go back and watch it once again. Perhaps John will re-post the link, although it really doesn't matter because it is a done deal however you me interpret what Barnes really said.Hey, I paid $64.95 for a box of 20 Federal Prem 110 gr TSX .270 wsm ammo at a local gun shop and it wasn't fun.SteveH

[ShooterJohn]

Hey, I paid $64.95 for a box of 20 Federal Prem 110 gr TSX .270 wsm ammo at a local gun shop and it wasn't fun.

That's why I reload. Sorry but you got hosed along with most of California. You really need to listen to that Fish and Game Commission meeting Steve. Either that or get your ears cleaned out.

[Braz]

I feel that the whole thing about worrying about lead is overblown. A lot of us grew up with led paint, biting down on lead sinkers, and a whole lot of other let stuff. I have melted a lot of lead also. But most of us are still around. Heck, we can't worry about every little thing or we may as well stay locked up in a sterilized room. It's just the nanny state at work again.

[ShooterJohn]

As long as I don't have to shoot non lead it's alright.

[woodog]

That's why I reload. Sorry but you got hosed along with most of California. You really need to listen to that Fish and Game Commission meeting Steve. Either that or get your ears cleaned out.

Well post the link and let everyone decide, if anyone is really interested. Like I said, it really doesn't matter because it is a done deal. I've listened/watched it a dozen times trying to see what you and Heath saw/heard, but it just isn't there for me. Ears have been cleaned and had cataract surgery less the a year ago. Maybe I'm just not trying to find someone to blame because no hunters, even locals or very few, attended and spoke against the ban. It is now a reality so let's move on. Trying to burn Barnes at the cross won't change anything. If you insist, well I love a good game of ping pong.

[Cranky Farmer]

Nosler has the E-Tip which can be loaded for an '06.http://www.nosler.co...p?p=3&bullet=20Steve, have you watched the right video?

[ShooterJohn]

Alright here you go for the link to Barnes addressing the Fish & Game Commission.If you'd like to hear what Barnes Bullets had to say to the California Fish & Game Commission regarding copper bullets you can watch it at the link below.http://www.cal-span....a.pl?folder=CFGYou want to go down to August 27th 2007 and choose complete video. Once the video starts go to 03:06 hours to 03:22 hours. You can speed ahead once the video starts loading.If you listen to the whole presentation you will here how he says their copper bullets are cheaper and how lead has even tripled in price.

[Cranky Farmer]

John, I just watched the video again and it isn't the same thing that I originally watched. It appears a lot of the stuff I found damning has been removed?

[ShooterJohn]

I noticed they'd changed some of it. The time frame starts at the correct spot on the tape but doesn't correspond with the ending time so they indeed did edit the tape. I used to do some work for Cal-Span so I'm going to call them and complain. I know some people that might be interested in this doctoring of the evidence.

[lilwes278]

You can get Winchester Supreme .30-06 ammo factory loaded with 180 grain Nosler E-Tips.http://www.cabelas.c...e...&hasJS=true

[Cranky Farmer]

That's not too bad considering it is the Supreme ammo.

[Cranky Farmer]

Black Hills also loads it with 180 grain TSX.