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#1 ShooterJohn

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Posted 05 March 2006 - 03:25 PM

With all of the reloading I've done, next to case trimming (I solved it with the Giraud powered case trimmer) I've hated annealing cases. It was always difficult to get them annealed perfectly around the neck. Then there was me burning my fingers while trying to knock them over into the water. Then drying the cases after their bath, a real pain. It's a no fun job but something you need to do if you want consistent neck tension and your brass to last. Anyway after thirty years of doing it the old fashioned way I'm going automated.I ordered a new BC 1000 automated, carousel annealing machine that can process 1000 cases per hour. Sold by Ken Light Manufacturing, it retails for $325. It actually preheats and revolves the cases as they pass through the torches perfectly annealing them. Then as fast as you drop in another case a finished one drops out.Posted ImagePosted ImageNow if I could just find someone to reload for me it couldn't get any easier. :(

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Posted 05 March 2006 - 07:27 PM

You have some of the nicest toys! I wish you'd move down here so I could come over and play with them all !!!

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Posted 05 March 2006 - 08:30 PM

I don't think I'll be moving to Southern Cal, Sorry! :lol:

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Posted 05 March 2006 - 08:38 PM

Neat :lol:
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Posted 05 March 2006 - 10:19 PM

I don't think I'll be moving to Southern Cal, Sorry! :lol:

You know the wife said pretty much the same thing when I suggested we move north closer to a good squirrel population! Posted Image You can't blame a guy for trying!

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Posted 06 March 2006 - 08:18 AM

For us know nothings what are you talking about? :lol:

I don't know either, but it uses fire, so it must be cool. :P

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Posted 06 March 2006 - 09:12 AM

Sorry guys, you anneal your brass because it work hardens each time you fire it and resize it. So as the brass hardens it becomes brittle and will split. This not only ruins your brass but can become dangerous if not caught. So to make your brass last longer and keep case neck tension consistent you need to anneal or heat treat the neck portion of the case. This can be especially important on forming wildcat cases. But this should be performed on all cases even straight wall pistol brass. No Steve they don't teach it in your normal reloading class but it is a very important step. I don't think they mention is because when the brass fails you have to buy new. The harder you work a case whether it be from hot loads or full length resizing you need to anneal. Annealing is just bring the brass up to critical temperature and letting it cool. This softens the brass. But you never want to heat the whole case as the base would become soft and stretch causing additional problems. It's not complicated and I've done it for so many years by hand. I learned by standing the cases in a pan of water and heating the upper case mouth until it glowed faint red. Then knock the case over into the water to cool it and stop the heat from traveling farther down the case. But to get the case mouth properly annealed all around the case you need to rotate it while heating. This is where I got burned a lot. So that's why I purchased the new machine. If I only did a few hundred cases once in a while I'd still do them by hand. :lol:

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Posted 06 March 2006 - 09:50 AM

John,did you ever try heating them with the pan of water sitting on a lazy Susan?

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Posted 06 March 2006 - 09:53 AM

It still doesn't really spin them around like this machine does. If you watch that video I told you about real closely you see the case rotating as the wheel turns. You could try it that way it would be better than just heating from one side.

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Posted 06 March 2006 - 09:58 AM

I didn't catch that in the video, I guess I better go watch it again!

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Posted 06 March 2006 - 10:26 AM

I didn't catch that in the video, I guess I better go watch it again!

When they pan to the side opposite the torch just before the shells drop you can see them turning as the wheel rotates. Cool! :)

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Posted 12 March 2006 - 08:38 PM

So did it arrive yet?And did you get more than one plate for it?

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Posted 12 March 2006 - 10:28 PM

I bought one extra plate for it because I may be able to make additional ones myself. No, it hasn't arrived as they have a 60 day wait for them. I think it's just to keep you from bugging them. :lol:

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Posted 12 March 2006 - 10:36 PM

60 day wait? Wow, they must be selling a bunch of em!

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Posted 12 March 2006 - 10:42 PM

Ken did say they had become very popular. But he also said he'd do everything to get mine going quickly. :lol:

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Posted 12 March 2006 - 10:43 PM

Awesome. I am anxious to hear your opinion of it after you've given it a test drive.

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Posted 04 April 2006 - 08:45 AM

Any word on when you can expect to see it?

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Posted 04 April 2006 - 09:04 AM

Probably not until the end of the month. But I received my two torches the other day and I'm ready for it when it shows up. It's amazing the price difference on the torches. A little extra searching really paid off and I saved about $45.

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Posted 04 April 2006 - 09:08 AM

Just a butane torch?

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Posted 04 April 2006 - 09:10 AM

It uses to special propane torches with extension hoses.

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Posted 05 April 2006 - 06:36 PM

For the guys who don't want to spend big bucks for annealing try the case annealer from the wood chuck den about $42.00 works great and you don't have to turn the cases by hand look under heading anneal your cases for accuracy :link attached, http://www.woodchuck...talog/page6.pdf :angry:

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Posted 05 April 2006 - 06:44 PM

John I fixed this link too. Don't highlight the link in BOLD text. It won't function as a link. B)You can anneal cartridge cases with just a propane torch one at a time. But I need something that does a lot of cases. I've used the old way far to long.

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Posted 09 April 2006 - 10:50 PM

Looks like those have evolved a bit since I saw one 12 years ago.A17Shooter

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Posted 10 April 2006 - 05:45 AM

Gary, I wish it would hurry up and arrive as they build them on a per order basis. But it should be very nice once it arrives. I already have my two torch setup which arrived the other day. :) Hopefully no more burnt fingers for me and a much faster and more uniform annealing job. :angry:

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Posted 16 April 2006 - 06:47 PM

John, how much do the extra wheels run?

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Posted 16 April 2006 - 08:20 PM

$40

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Posted 17 April 2006 - 07:48 AM

That's not too bad.

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Posted 06 June 2006 - 08:03 AM

Have you given it a test run yet?

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Posted 06 June 2006 - 08:21 AM

I put the unit together but because of more pressing projects and family obligations I haven't fired (Pun intended) it up yet. I keep looking for a chance to get it going but haven't had a real opportunity to get it put into operation. I figure once it gets going I may not want to stop it. ;)

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Posted 06 June 2006 - 08:45 AM

Yea, it sounds like it will be fun. Any idea how long one of those tanks of butane (???) will burn non-stop?




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