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#1 Chris M

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Posted 23 May 2008 - 02:04 PM

My father just gave me (actually my wife) an old shotgun that used to belong to my grandfather. A 1946(?) Winchester Model 1912 in 20ga. It's in decent condition. Fully functional. Minor pitting. It's got a Poly-choke welded onto it. I'll post photos when I get a chance.

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Posted 23 May 2008 - 04:13 PM

That is actually referred to as a Winchester Model 12. They are very well made guns. That poly choke would be soldered on not welded. That place I sent Clampdaddy to, he was real happy with and they could put choke tubes in for you.

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Posted 23 May 2008 - 05:40 PM

That one is old enough that it probably doesn't have the trigger disconnect. Lots of fun for rapping off ammo. Just pull the trigger, hold it there, and keep pumping until the magazine runs dry. That's what earned the model twelve its reputation for being such a fast repeater.

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Posted 24 May 2008 - 11:33 AM

I just checked the serial # (38772), and according to this chart: http://www.mchenry-s...ng/Model_12.htmthe gun was made in 1914...Quite a bit older than we thought.

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Posted 24 May 2008 - 12:55 PM

Check the barrel for chamber length markings. If the barrel does not say 2 3/4" then it is chamber for the older 2 9/16" cartridge. When the cartridges were standardized, the barrels were marked for the new chamber length.Do not fire 2 3/4" shells in the older chambers, pressures are too high.

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Posted 24 May 2008 - 03:54 PM

Check the barrel for chamber length markings. If the barrel does not say 2 3/4" then it is chamber for the older 2 9/16" cartridge. When the cartridges were standardized, the barrels were marked for the new chamber length.Do not fire 2 3/4" shells in the older chambers, pressures are too high.

[edit]scratch that. barrel is NOT marked for 2.75". I could have swore I saw it on there. It's already had at least thousands of 2.75" rounds through it with no problems...

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Posted 24 May 2008 - 05:23 PM

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Posted 24 May 2008 - 06:22 PM

A few photos:http://img297.images.../img0625jp9.jpghttp://img300.images.../img0628gr8.jpghttp://img503.images.../img0630wz0.jpg

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Posted 24 May 2008 - 06:55 PM

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Posted 25 May 2008 - 11:51 PM

:yahoo: Me to . Thats a real cool looking old gun.

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Posted 26 May 2008 - 10:19 AM

:yahoo:

:signs1180lq: Me to . Thats a real cool looking old gun.

Thanks.

Check the barrel for chamber length markings. If the barrel does not say 2 3/4" then it is chamber for the older 2 9/16" cartridge. When the cartridges were standardized, the barrels were marked for the new chamber length.Do not fire 2 3/4" shells in the older chambers, pressures are too high.

I'm trying to find a local gunsmith to see if they can lengthen the chamber to accept 2.75" shells...if it hasn't already been done.

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Posted 26 May 2008 - 10:58 AM

Thanks for the web site I have two model 12's . one is field grade the other is a trap grade both made in 1913 ser,no 193137 and 224623 Both 12 gauges :signgreatreport3kg:

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Posted 27 May 2008 - 01:58 PM

Check the barrel for chamber length markings. If the barrel does not say 2 3/4" then it is chamber for the older 2 9/16" cartridge. When the cartridges were standardized, the barrels were marked for the new chamber length.Do not fire 2 3/4" shells in the older chambers, pressures are too high.

I checked with a gunsmith, and was told that only 16ga shotguns had the 2 9/16" chamber, and that 20ga chambers have always been 2 3/4" for the model 12

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Posted 27 May 2008 - 03:58 PM

I checked with a gunsmith, and was told that only 16ga shotguns had the 2 9/16" chamber, and that 20ga chambers have always been 2 3/4" for the model 12

"...2 9/16 (early 16 or 20ga., until 1927, at ser. no. 464,565), 2 3/4 (became standard 1927)..." From: 29th Edition "Blue Book of Gun Values" by S. P. FjestadClosest book at hand, but I think my Winchester books have similar info.Update: "Early twenty gauge guns were chambered for two and one-half inch shells. After 1925, two and three-quarter inch chambers were standard." From: "The Winchester Model Twelve" by George Madis

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Posted 28 May 2008 - 07:18 AM

Thanks for the info!

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Posted 28 May 2008 - 08:06 AM

Man, you really are a wealth of knowledge there, Yodel.

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Posted 28 May 2008 - 09:33 AM

Man, you really are a wealth of knowledge there, Yodel.

I have a pretty good library. I've been picking up books for years. Most, but not all, books have info that is copied from others, but I can usually get close to the truth.




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