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#1 Cranky Farmer

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Posted 30 January 2006 - 10:16 PM

Well folks, for those of you who have been following along a few of us went out on a night hunting trip on Saturday to an area we'd never hunted before. We found the place ok, but had a rough night of calling as we spent the evening contending with the DFG and high winds. The winds would come and go, so we were able to make a few stands and saw a couple animals, but came back empty handed.We arrived to the location we were going to hunt about an hour and a half before dark and were afforded the opportunity to do a little scouting before the sun set. We really liked the terrain and were all optimistic about seeing a few cats before the night was up. We saw a good bit of coyote scat with a little bit of fox thrown in the mix. We even saw a den that we felt might have been home to a mountain lion at one point!We continued to drive around to get the lay of the land up until it got dark. It was a new moon, so the conditions, besides the wind, we're ideal. We made a few stands until around 7ish when we saw a set of head lights off in the direction we had come from. We decided to stay at the place we had just finished a stand to see what they were doing. We finally decided to continue on our way after we failed to see any more head lights. We eventually saw the truck parked off the road at the top of a big hill. We figured it was a "couple" trying to get away for a little private time and we joked a bit about our wondering if we had "interrupted" any thing. We drove on and continued our hunt.For the next 2 1/2 to 3 hours we saw lights that seemed to be following us and began to become concerned. This truck was following us out in the middle of no where with no cell phone service to call for help and a long ways to the closest civilization. At one point I got a glare off of a vehicle's plate while I was swinging the light!Knowing we had someone following us we decided we needed to discover it is was the law or someone up to no good. I drove the truck up and over a big hill and turned around at the bottom. As I drove up and over that hill for a second time we all saw the plate and reflectors from the front end of a vehicle. There was no doubt in our mind or theirs that we knew they were there. As I headed down the hill towards them I figured it it was the law they'd wait for me to get to them; I mean they had to of known that we saw them. So you can imagine my concern and worry as the one truck turned into two trucks and they both were speeding away a speeds that were close to dangerous for the terrain. I made the comment then that there was no way anyone legit would have run away.As bth trucks scooted off in cloud of dust we noticed that they didnt have any head or tail lights that ever came on. This combined with the fact that they were driving off at a hight rate of speed after being discovered worried us all. Did we just stumble into someone's "cash crop"?Well, to make a long story short it ended up being 2 different DFG wardens who had been following us for around three hours. I actually "found" them park along a road when I doubled back to try and discover where the trucks were .... I wanted to know where these folks were at and what direction we needed to go to get away from them. They hit their lights and pulled us all out my truck. Oh how much fun THAT was. :rolleyes: After they confirmed we didn?t have any concealed weapons they let us know we had just crossed over from an OK spot light area into a not OK area. We told them that we had a map with us where Jeph had laid out the legal 12 volt areas according to the DFG regulations when the warden let us know it wasn't a DFG boundary that we had crossed but one for the county. GGGRRRRRRR. :lol: :P :P The older of the two wardens was actually breaking in the younger guy who had apparently just gotten through the DFG academy, what ever that is called. He let us know that because we had been doing everything right as far as the DFG regs were concerned and that we were so close to the boundary that they weren't going to cite us for being out of boundaries. We then tried he get him to show us on a map where the boundary was located .... he couldn't do it and kept citing a GPS position which we would have to find with the aide of a GPS unit.We did get one cite for a loaded firearm in the back of the truck. In our growing concern over the truck that was following us one guy failed to empty the chamber on his rifle after our last stand. It was pretty frustrating as if they hadn't been dogging us like that we wouldn't have been flustered and the gun WOULD have been unloaded. I think he is going to get out of the ticket, though. The ticket is written for a shotgun and the picture of the "evidence" which they took is of a mini-14 rifle and a 223 round!After having the truck searched and the entire rest of our experience with the DFG folks we decided to leave the area. We made a few more stands on the way out once we were certain we were well beyond that invisible line. We didn't see any thing and headed for Mojave area near the 14 where would spend the remainder of the evening before heading for home.On our second stand we had a bobcat that appeared despite the howling wind around 200 yards out. He watched for about 10-15 seconds before peeling off and disappearing for the night. About 40 minutes later we had just finished up a stand where we used a rabbit distress sound and as the rifles where going back in the tool box we decided to try a coyote group howl on Tim's FX3 (GREAT little unit by the way!) For the first time that evening we actually got coyotes to howl back!So I get back on the light and Jeph pulls out his 223 while Tim changed up to a challenge howl. He gets a response to the challenge and the wait is on. We sat quiet for about 3 to 4 minutes while I ran the light when we hear a challenge howl off in the distance. I am guessing that he had closed the distance by half from the first place where he had howled back at us. Tim answered and we all waited for those glowing eyes to give his position away. It took a few more minutes, but those eyes did appear just at the range limit of my light. He continued to close the distance on us and I would catch glimpses of him as he headed down wind. At about 150 yards out I caught a glimpse of him as he dropped down into a small wash, heading still towards our down wind side. The last time I saw him before the wind shifted directions and gave us away was at 75 yards as he peeked his head up and over the edge of the wash. He high tailed it out of there and a few minutes later sat giving us the warning bark at a distance beyond where my light could pick him up.We did have a good night BS'ing and got to see a few animals, but came home empty handed. We also learned a hard lesson; the DFG doesn?t post county spot light restrictions and it is up to us as hunters to check to see if they (the counties) have any additional restrictions. Just because you're legit by the DFG doesn?t mean you're in the clear!

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Posted 31 January 2006 - 07:46 AM

SBF, did all this happen on Troy rd?

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Posted 31 January 2006 - 08:05 AM

The older of the two wardens was actually breaking in the younger guy who had apparently just gotten through the DFG academy, what ever that is called.

That must be where they teach them to harass legitimate hunters and totally ignore poachers. I'm sorry to hear you guys had such a hassle with DFG. Then for them not to give you the line you crossed for future reference is so stupid. What a power trip they have, it's embarrassing and extremely aggravating to say the least. Why don't they just be upfront to begin with instead of acting like secret agents who have already been busted because they aren't very sly in the first place. I have had so many bad experiences with them over the years and yet never been sited. I understand they have to be somewhat sneaky, but when they're bust they turn into jerks of the royal kind. If you know more than them about their own regulations it's almost a challenge for them to find something they can pin on you. I've found that like you it's best to do everything you can to just go directly to them and say, "CAN I HELP YOU!" I would say live and learn, but the wardens never will I guess. :rolleyes:

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Posted 31 January 2006 - 09:30 AM

SBF, did all this happen on Troy rd?

Sure did!

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Posted 31 January 2006 - 01:53 PM

SBF, sorry to hear about all the BS, never would have happend if I didn't tell you about it. I have never seen the DFG on that trail and I'd been hunting it since the 70s, always figured it was to rough for them and to far in the middle of nowhere. To bad the wind was blowing, that area has cats and other predators. Besides the bad experience, how did you like the terrain in that area with all the giant boulders, steep canyons, washes etc?

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Posted 31 January 2006 - 01:57 PM

No need to feel badly. It looked like AWESOME terrain! When we first saw it we were all stoked. Oh well. You can still hunt it during day light hours, though.

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Posted 01 February 2006 - 05:46 PM

WOWjust a few commentsI was chukar hunting in that area Saturdaylots of off road activity, maybe even a race going onI have hunted out there for several years and have never seen a wardenI saw lots of other hunters Saturday though, being it was closing weekendthere are several springs/guzzlers in that area, Goat Spring, Aztec Spring, Quill SpringI would think it would be excellent for all types of game

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Posted 02 February 2006 - 10:32 AM

Guess that place is no secret anymore lol. They do alot of off roading around Camp Rock Rd., I don't know about the other trail though. lots of gold prospecting in that area and chukar in those hills, one more reason why the area has lots of bobcats or use to. SBF, I don't understand the light law deal in that area. When I left California a couple years ago it was legal to use a hand held light 9 volts or less almost anywhere in the state except San Benito and Monterey countys. The DFG told you you can't light in that area anymore or you can't use 12 volt lights from your truck? I don't know about all the new laws when it comes to shotgun areas only, but the road you were on, I see no reason why you can't use a rifle or can you? I feel sorry for predator hunters in California nowadays. You should have all the DFG backing you need, because you're doing a service to other wildlife and ranchers. You guys need to overthrough the DFG and bring it back to the way it use to be. Go after the bad guys and leave the good guys alone.

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Posted 02 February 2006 - 10:55 AM

Danny,Apparently the county altered their own laws specifiying a no-light zone and the DFG enforces it. If the DFG is going to enforce it I think they need to have it added to the blasted regs!!You can still use 12 volts in those areas where a spot light is still allowed.

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Posted 02 February 2006 - 11:20 AM

the way I read the sign on the way in, shotgun only area is the off road area, legal hunting during season only; I don't think it applied to the other side of camp rock roadmy brother and I are going to give it a try this weekendthere is an open water source (cattle trough) next to a windmill to the right of the troy/camp rock intersectionmaybe 3/4 mile up the road on the left sidethis looks like cattle country also, but we didn't see any cattle during our chukar huntsanyway, lots and lots of tracks of critters coming to that waterand the rabbits are everywherethink we'll do some rabbit shooting and after dark, maybe stick around and use our lightswonder if my rechargeable mag light flashlight will work for this ?gonna take the .22s and the 243 out for a spinyes, I'm gonna take my maps and the regs as well

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Posted 02 February 2006 - 06:50 PM

SBF, this is the text from F&G Regs. Note the last lines, this was revised in 1985!If you get a topo map of the area you can mark this R4W and T8N location and then follow it EAST. I have had that line marked on my maps for years. Of course, don't flaunt this knowledge in the face of F&G or Sheriff officer. If stopped, note your location with GPS and to to court with info. Also check out this page of the website for BLM division located in Barstow.http://www.blm.gov/c...y_mountains.pdfArea: Inyo, Mono and Kern counties south and east of a line beginning at the junction of Highway 182 and the California-Nevada state line; south on Highway 182 to its junction with Highway 395; south on Highway 395 to its intersection with Highway 168 at Bishop; west on Highway 168 to its intersection with the Inyo National Forest boundary; south on the Inyo National Forest boundary to its junction with County Highway J41; south and east on County Highway J41 to its junction with Highway 395; south on Highway 395 to its junction with Highway 14 near Inyokern; south on Highway 14 to its junction with Highway 178 at Freeman; west on Highway 178 to its junction with the Bodfish-Caliente Road at Isabella; south on the Bodfish-Caliente Road to its junction with Highway 58; east on Highway 58 to its junction with the Los Angeles Aqueduct; south and west on the Los Angeles Aqueduct Road to its junction with 265th Street West near Neenach; south on 265th Street West to its junction with the Elizabeth Lake-Pine Canyon Road at Three Points; east along the Elizabeth Lake-Pine Canyon Road to its junction with Highway 14 at Palmdale; south on Highway 14 to its intersection with the Angeles Forest Highway; south on the Angeles Forest Highway to the Mill Creek Summit Road; east and south on the Mill Creek Summit Road to its intersection with the Angeles Crest Highway (Highway 2) at Upper Chilao Campground; east on the Angeles Crest Highway to its intersection with the Los Angeles-San Bernardino county line; north on the Los Angeles-Kern-San Bernardino county line to its intersection with Highway 58; east on Highway 58 to its intersection with the range line between R3W and R4W; south along the range line between R3W and R4W to the southeast corner of T8N, R4W; east along T8N to its intersection with the west boundary of the U.S. Marine Corps Training Center; south and east on that boundary to its intersection with Giant Rock Road; east along Giant Rock Road to a point where it turns southeast and corresponding with a projected north extension of Sunfair Road; south on Sunfair Road and its projected extension to the San Bernardino-Riverside county line; and all of Imperial, Orange, Riverside and San Diego counties. Certificate of Compliance as to 6-24-85 order transmitted to OAL 9-30-85 and filed 11-1-85Ray




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