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[Cranky Farmer]

That looks great!

[fiveflat]

What is that mounted to the bottom of your mag?

[Cranky Farmer]

Magpul floor plates?http://www.magpul.co...amp;cPath=80_96

[wannakillacoyote]

Yep, that's what it is.

[woodog]

Soo, I decided to break out the can of Tan Krylon Camo paint.I may add some other colors later on to Camo it up, but I really like the tan.

Lookin' good! Still waiting for my upper and your Timney trigger.

[wannakillacoyote]

Where did you end up ordering the upper from?

[rabiddog]

i have an AR15 i bought in 1998 because of sb23 when my dad moved to washington i sent my AR with him because i did not want to register it,now my dad is nearing 70 years old and i am gonna need to get it back.how if any can i make it california legal so i can bring it home and get to use it hunting and shooting?does any body know what to do?

[Cranky Farmer]

You can't.

[.22guy]

If it is a listed receiver, you can't bring it back. You can however, buy a new off-list receiver and put the upper and buttstock on it. Make sure to configure it CA-legal, either a fixed mag or no "evil features". Check out calguns.net for more info.

[wannakillacoyote]

Yep, only way is to get another lower. Budsgunshop has Star lowers for $99 shipped. Have your dad gut your existing AR and send you everything except the stripped lower. Add a Bullet button or prince50 and you are legal.

[fiveflat]

Ah yes, another big boy's Erector Set firearm. I guess I'm just too old to get into the black gun thing. A friend told me today that he just bought Stag and was elated that it is supposed to shoot 2 MOA and he only paid $1,200 for it and it weighs a little more than 8 lbs. I asked if he liked the trigger and he said no, but could get a good trigger assembly of $200. Anyone want a Keltec SU16A for $300 with only about 200 rounds through it? The catch is you have to come to Taft to do the transaction and pay the fees.Running and ducking for cover!!! See you Sunday morning with your real rifle.SteveH

Um, aren't you building one now?And your friend thats elated about 2MOA? wow. I guess he doesn't know the real potential of that thing.

[woodog]

Um, aren't you building one now?And your friend thats elated about 2MOA? wow. I guess he doesn't know the real potential of that thing.

Isn't it amazing how a little Viagra can stiffen up your trigger finger and make you want to slide it into the trigger guard of a black gun and do a little manipulation? Hope the urge last way over four hours once I finally get my upper. You got me, I just had to see what it is all about before it is too late. Damn, I hope Wammos don't catch on again.Wanna went out again today to finish sighting in his AR since installing the compensator. I told him that same thing; 2 MOA ain't nothing to dance about. Hope it looks better today because I have the same Stag upper ordered.

[wannakillacoyote]

I got out today (after spending an hour and a half dealing with a dead battery). I took my friend Jim out and we did quite a bit of shooting/sighting. I shot like six different brands/weights through that thing. It was waay off after changing that compensator. It was shooting like 6" Low and 2-3" Left!! Maybe now I have an excuse for missing that Yote. Just maybe. Anyway, after a bunch of rounds through the AR here are some quick results:1st place...... 45gr Winchester HP's2nd Place..... 55gr Black Hills SP Reman's3rd Place..... 55gr American Eagle HP4th, 5th and 6th were a blur. All three shot pretty poorly. They were Ranger 55gr, Federal 55gr SP and the Winchester Supreme Silvertips 55gr. I was surprised at the Silvertips!I haven't measured anything yet, but I will try to get some measurements and pics up later.FYI, I'm sure this isn't the preferred way to test what ammo your rifle likes, but this was my procedure:Basically I took a cleaned rifle out, shot like 9rds of each type of ammo. I marked which were which and moved on to the next type. I never cleaned in-between and cooling periods varied but were pretty short. I basically walked after each 9rd shooting to the target (100 yds away) for like the first three types. Then I got even lazier and started shooting like two 9rd groups then walking again. I'm not a slow shooter, plus we were not there just for me (I had to let Jim shoot his stuff too). Soo, I'm not to sure how accurate this test was, but we could definitely see some rounds grouping better than others. I think next time I go out sighting/shooting I will just take the top two rounds and see if I can get them a little tighter. Maybe even clean the barrel between groups. :)PS, I also took my Beretta AL391 out and shot a couple rounds through it to see how it patterned. I plan to start a post over in the Shotgun Forum and see which one you guys like. I'm not sure what to look for, but I have one that I think is better. I'll wait to see what the experts say.

[wannakillacoyote]

Alright, here ya go (no measurements though):American Eagle 50gr Flat Base HP 9rdsBlack Hills 55gr SP 9shot groupFederal Power Shok 55gr SP 9rdsRanger 55gr SP 9rdsWinchester 45gr HP (40 round Varmint Value pack) 5rdsWinchester Supreme 55gr Silvertip 6rds (I ran out while trying to get on paper)Black Hills 5shot group at the end of shooting

[Cranky Farmer]

That 45 grain stuff looks like it is the way to go. Just be careful about shot placement on a coyote with it. If you hit one on the "fringes" it's gonna be ultra messy.

[wannakillacoyote]

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. What do you think about the difference in groups between the first 9shot Black Hills group and the last 5shot Black Hills group? It appears that on a cleaner barrel (or maybe cooler) the BH did pretty good (though the 9shot was stringing up). What causes the stringing? Hot Barrel?Either way, while these groups aren't what I was hoping they would be, I think they are good enough.

[Shoot-it]

isn't it hard to look threw the scope with out a riser. I have a carbon 15 flat top and with the highest rings still not enough for me. That's my next project to busy playing with my xd.Where did you get that part at the end of the barrel.I need one like that I hate the muzzle break that came with mine it's to loud.

[Cranky Farmer]

Did you clean your barrel between groups?

[woodog]

Sure, just like you do during combat. It's nice to have everything nice and close, but it is the first shot that counts 99% of the time in hunting. I have to take a fouling shot with my Keltec SU-16a to get the second shot on after a good cleaning. The fouling shot can go anywhere, but the next is near MOA. Then, if I don't shoot every 30 seconds, it has acceptable hunting accuracy if the barrel stays cool. Woodog

[Cranky Farmer]

Sure, just like you do during combat.

And when was the last time anyone here was in combat? Considering he was shooting to try and find the most accurate factory load I think my question is a very legitimate one.

[wannakillacoyote]

isn't it hard to look threw the scope with out a riser. I have a carbon 15 flat top and with the highest rings still not enough for me. That's my next project to busy playing with my xd.Where did you get that part at the end of the barrel.I need one like that I hate the muzzle break that came with mine it's to loud.

Yes, it is hard. I am planning on ordering Extra High rings. Just haven't done it yet.The muzzle break I got from midway. It's a Levang Compensator made by DPMS.

Did you clean your barrel between groups?

No, I just kept grabbing different stuff. Like I said, probably not the best way to test, I just don't have the patience to mess with it.

I have to take a fouling shot with my Keltec SU-16a to get the second shot on after a good cleaning.

If that's the case, you should shoot a fouling shot after cleaning, then take it out to hunt with. I don't think you are going to like the AR platform. There are a lot of little things that make these more of a pain to use than Bolt guns. My suggestion would be for you to give it to me to hold for you. That way it doesn't corrupt or contaminate your 'REAL" rifles.

[woodog]

And when was the last time anyone here was in combat? Considering he was shooting to try and find the most accurate factory load I think my question is a very legitimate one.

Sure it is a ligitimate question and I'm sure you will be joined by others before the day is done. The irony of the situation came to me and I made a failed attempt a sarcastic humor, but not aimed at you. We go to extraordinary ends to try to make a GI rifle, built to the same Mil Specs as the ones the folks take to war, shoot like they are match grade firearms. We shoot them off of expensive equipment at expensive gun clubs, clean the barrel every other shot or so, let them cool between shots, feed them different ammo until the find something the like and I understand why we do this. It's not to post pics of our sub MOA groups, it's to know that the rifle will shoot consistently time after time if the variables are controlled. The point is that if you are in combat and have put 30 plus rounds through the rifle in a short period of time you probably have no idea where you are shooting, or at least where POI may be. And you certainly don't have the time to clean the barrel after every five or one hundred shots depending on the circumstances of battle. I've never been in combat so this is probably a dumb question; do the wonderful young folks who do risk their lives for us in combat go to the range and shoot five shot groups before going to battle? I understand the concept of selecting or developing the best round/load for your firearm and that is a luxury not afforded our service men and women. They take them off a truck and go to war and hope the gun shoot as well, or better, as they can shoot.Sorry if I offended you. I made a tongue-in-cheek statement that was meant to be rhetorical and funny and failed. I can see that any further defense of that statement will end nowhere positive.SteveH

[woodog]

If that's the case, you should shoot a fouling shot after cleaning, then take it out to hunt with.

After I just cleaned it? You gotta be crazy.

I don't think you are going to like the AR platform. There are a lot of little things that make these more of a pain to use than Bolt guns. My suggestion would be for you to give it to me to hold for you. That way it doesn't corrupt or contaminate your 'REAL" rifles.

Naw, I think I'll keep it. It will be worth twice what I paid for it after the elections - no matter who wins.Woodog

[wannakillacoyote]

That is truth! This is going to be a scary time.As for your question about Active Duty getting to shoot there firearms before going into battle. That is a resounding yes. I wasn't in a forward unit, and I was in the Air Force so my personal use of the M-16 was limited. But, even we, when going to a hot location would shoot our M-16's before going. Not shooting for small 5-shot groups, just verifying center mass accuracy, or at longer distances (500m) a hit. I was in a unit that frequented Hot Zones more than the typical Air Force unit so we had M-16's issued to us and that was the rifle you would qualify with. Regular Air Force had to qualify once a year, our unit it was every 6 months. You knew your rifle was sighted in for you. I'm sure the Marines and Army get much more trigger time than I did (especially now), and I have no doubt there rifles are dead on when going into combat. They also have shooting ranges at there forward locations. If they are not working, they are training. Which means plenty of sighting in and practicing.Another thing is that the M4 Carbines we are building are for close quarters, urban environments. Clearing buildings and fairly short fast shots. They are not going to be as accurate as the standard issue M-16. The standard issue is using a 20" barrel (I think) and a standard stock. They are also using full length hand guards. All of these add to the accuracy, but also the weight. I'm happy with the accuracy of my 16" AR. I know my groups aren't great, though I think they could get smaller with ammo that it likes and a steadier bench and by me shooting better.

[bigunn0_0]

I have been reading a lot of stuff here on these evil little black guns. So yesterday I aquired a bushmater carbin 15 complete lower now I wondering what I'm gonna do with . Seems Like thes is so many ways to to go .Guess I should do a lot more reading before I start buying parts.Any help as to where I can go and read more ? Thanks bigunn

[dperahia4]

wow it looks nice