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[Iron Worker]

Is that correct? Can you John post that part of the F&G laws saying we can't do it? Some one back east said a couple of socks full of sardines works every time.

[capitol]

Is that correct? Can you John post that part of the F&G laws saying we can't do it? Some one back east said a couple of socks full of sardines works every time.

Iron Worker,I may be wrong so take this with a grain of salt. I recently read baiting "game" animals is illegal in our fine state. As we both know Coyote isn't considered a game animal.

[ShooterJohn]

?475. Methods of Take for Nongame Birds and Nongame Mammals. Nongame birds and nongame mammals may be taken in any manner except as follows: (a) Poison may not be used. ( Recorded or electrically amplified bird or mammal calls or sounds or recorded or electrically amplified imitations of bird or mammal calls or sounds may not be used to take any nongame bird or nongame mammal except coyotes, bobcats, American crows and starlings. © Fallow deer, sambar deer, axis deer, sika deer, aoudad, mouflon, tahr and feral goats may be taken only with the equipment and ammunition specified in Section 353 of these regulations. (d) Traps may be used to take nongame birds and nongame mammal only in accordance with the provisions of Section 465.5 of these regulations and sections 3003.1 and 4004 of the Fish and Game Code. (e) No feed, bait or other material capable of attracting a nongame mammal may be placed or used in conjunction with dogs for the purpose of taking any nongame mammals. Nothing in this section shall prohibit an individual operating in accordance with the provisions of Section 465.5 from using a dog to follow a trap drag and taking the nongame mammal caught in that trap.(e) is the only one that mentions bait. So apparently you can hang your sock full of sardines if you want to. Man those socks will be ruined.

[Iron Worker]

Iron Worker,I may be wrong so take this with a grain of salt. I recently read baiting "game" animals is illegal in our fine state. As we both know Coyote isn't considered a game animal.

Very interesting Mark. I hate sardines. If the game warden made me eat them I'd be in a world of ---t

[Iron Worker]

?475. Methods of Take for Nongame Birds and Nongame Mammals. Nongame birds and nongame mammals may be taken in any manner except as follows: (a) Poison may not be used. ( Recorded or electrically amplified bird or mammal calls or sounds or recorded or electrically amplified imitations of bird or mammal calls or sounds may not be used to take any nongame bird or nongame mammal except coyotes, bobcats, American crows and starlings. ? Fallow deer, sambar deer, axis deer, sika deer, aoudad, mouflon, tahr and feral goats may be taken only with the equipment and ammunition specified in Section 353 of these regulations. (d) Traps may be used to take nongame birds and nongame mammal only in accordance with the provisions of Section 465.5 of these regulations and sections 3003.1 and 4004 of the Fish and Game Code. (e) No feed, bait or other material capable of attracting a nongame mammal may be placed or used in conjunction with dogs for the purpose of taking any nongame mammals. Nothing in this section shall prohibit an individual operating in accordance with the provisions of Section 465.5 from using a dog to follow a trap drag and taking the nongame mammal caught in that trap.(e) is the only one that mentions bait. So apparently you can hang your sock full of sardines if you want to. Man those socks will be ruined.

So the operating word is "Conjunction" So its that simple? There it is in plain english.What is Section 465.5? What is a " Trap Drag"

[ShooterJohn]

What is a " Trap Drag"

A Trap Drag is where an animal makes off with your trap. Then you have to go hunt them down. I always hated that part because i didn't want to lose any of my traps.

[Iron Worker]

A Trap Drag is where an animal makes off with your trap. Then you have to go hunt them down. I always hated that part because i didn't want to lose any of my traps.

Ok so does each and every F&G officer know that?I'm a worrier at times.I've got a lot of money wraped up in our hobbie.I'm bringing my AR-15.If I lose that! Dang some rookie Game officer trying to build a name for him self.Maybe I'm worried for nothing.

Ok so does each and every F&G officer know that?I'm a worrier at times.I've got a lot of money wraped up in our hobbie.I'm bringing my AR-15.If I lose that! Dang some rookie Game officer trying to build a name for him self.Maybe I'm worried for nothing.

I'm talking about the attractent.

[ShooterJohn]

You can use what you want! Probably wouldn't hurt to get a hunting handbook.

[capitol]

Larry,You crack me up

[Iron Worker]

Oh know you mean you like sardines?We might need to get a head count of others who like sardines. Have a great Thanks giving Predator killers!

[Bill D.]

A trap drag is a double (sometimes triple) prong device attached to a long chain. It is normally buried under the trap and allows the animal to get a certain distance from the spot where they were first caught......this helps prevent them from chewing their foot off and escaping. In most situations, a coyote or cat will usually get less than 50 yards before the drag snags brush. The prongs sticking out will dig into the dirt leaving a pretty easy trail to follow in most circumstances. Also, when a trap is not anchored solid, the animal is must less likely to break their leg bone on that first beserk run......they cannot chew off if the bone is unbroken. Almost anything can be used as a drag.......I used to use dead limbs. Raccoons are the very worst about chewing off even when using a drag but they readily go into a live trap.

[ShooterJohn]

Some one back east said a couple of socks full of sardines works every time.

Larry, why don't you just put the sardines in your pants pocket and then they'll come right to you.

A trap drag is a double (sometimes triple) prong device attached to a long chain. It is normally buried under the trap and allows the animal to get a certain distance from the spot where they were first caught......this helps prevent them from chewing their foot off and escaping. In most situations, a coyote or cat will usually get less than 50 yards before the drag snags brush. The prongs sticking out will dig into the dirt leaving a pretty easy trail to follow in most circumstances. Also, when a trap is not anchored solid, the animal is must less likely to break their leg bone on that first beserk run......they cannot chew off if the bone is unbroken. Almost anything can be used as a drag.......I used to use dead limbs. Raccoons are the very worst about chewing off even when using a drag but they readily go into a live trap.

Bill you're getting technical here we need to keep it simple for Larry.

[Bozsik]

You are right Billl,I used to use a semi heavy snag to attach to as well. I can't imagine using those grapling hooks on an entire trap line. They use to sell thm in the trapping catalogs, A friend of mine use to just weld three hooks of bend rebar together. Worked great.db

[ShooterJohn]

You missed my point here because it talks of dogs being used to track and animal that's been trapped and lost. Read below I'm not arguing here and don't even no why I should explain my point.

Nothing in this section shall prohibit an individual operating in accordance with the provisions of Section 465.5 from using a dog to follow a trap drag and taking the nongame mammal caught in that trap.

Here is a coyote grapple just bent steel rod to catch on things. Kind of high tech when you're trapping well maybe now-a-days it's not. But you can't use leg traps anymore anyway, at least not around here.

[Bozsik]

You missed my point here because it talks of dogs being used to track and animal that's been trapped and lost. Read below I'm not arguing here and don't even no why I should explain my point. Here is a coyote grapple just bent steel rod to catch on things. Kind of high tech when you're trapping well maybe now-a-days it's not. But you can't use leg traps anymore anyway, at least not around here.

Hey John,I don't think Bill was trying to argue. Iron Worker just wanted to know what a drag was.I was agreeing with him. I hope you had a nice Thanksgiving. I just got home.db