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[Kevin Burroughs]

Hunted Yotes last weekend on a rather large ranch. Came across a dead bull less than 24 hours old. Is it legal to shoot yotes over the carcass.


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[sxshooter]

What's the regulations say?

[sxshooter]

OK, I'm a sucker to do legwork for people and lookup stuff. I would think about the words " directly or indirectly placed, exposed, deposited, distributed, or scattered, ... " below before dismissing it. The way I read it, there's room for law enforcement/courts to interpret this. Anytime you have room for interpretation, you can have a surprise.

14 CCR § 257.5

Cal. Admin. Code tit. 14, § 257.5


Barclays Official California Code of Regulations Currentness
Title 14. Natural Resources
Chapter 1. General Provisions and Definitions (Refs & Annos)
§ 257.5. Prohibition Against Taking Resident Game Birds and Mammals by the Aid of Bait.



(a) Definition of Baited Area. As used in this regulation, “baited area” shall mean any area where shelled, shucked or unshucked corn, wheat or other grains, salt, or other feed whatsoever capable of luring, attracting, or enticing such birds or mammals is directly or indirectly placed, exposed, deposited, distributed, or scattered, and such area shall remain a baited area for ten days following complete removal of all such corn, wheat or other grains, salt, or other feed.

(1) The taking of domestically reared and released game birds on licensed pheasant clubs and other licensed game bird clubs;

(3) The taking of resident game birds and mammals on or over any lands where shelled, shucked or unshucked corn, wheat or other grain, salt, or other feed have been distributed or scattered as the result of bona fide agricultural operations or procedures, or as a result of manipulation of a crop or other feed on the land where grown for wildlife management purposes: provided that manipulation for wildlife management purposes does not include the distributing or scattering of grain or other feed once it has been removed from or stored on the field where grown.

Note: Authority cited: 202 and Sections 200-206, 211-3800 and
1. New section filed 8-9-79; designated effective 9-1-79 (Register 79, No. 32).

2. Amendment of NOTE filed 5-13-81; designated effective tenth day thereafter (Register 81, No. 20).
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3. Amendment of first paragraph filed 7-1-86; effective upon filing (Register 86, No. 27).
14 CCR § 257.5, 14 CA ADC § 257.5

This database is current through 11/16/12 Register 2012, No. 46



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[ShooterJohn]

Since it's not game animals it is legal to do so as long as dogs aren't used in the process of hunting.

[sxshooter]

Here's the right reference. Sorry about that earlier one.

§475. Methods of Take for Nongame Birds and Nongame Mammals.

Nongame birds and nongame mammals may be taken in any manner except as follows:

• (a) Poison may not be used.
• ( Recorded or electrically amplified bird or mammal calls or sounds or recorded or electrically amplified imitations of bird or mammal calls or sounds may not be used to take any nongame bird or nongame mammal except coyotes, bobcats, American crows and starlings.
• © Fallow deer, sambar deer, axis deer, sika deer, aoudad, mouflon, tahr and feral goats may be taken only with the equipment and ammunition specified in Section 353 of these regulations.
• (d) Traps may be used to take nongame birds and nongame mammals only in accordance with the provisions of Section 465.5 of these regulations and sections 3003.1 and 4004 of the Fish and Game Code.
• (e) No feed, bait or other material capable of attracting a nongame mammal may be placed or used in conjunction with dogs for the purpose of taking any nongame mammals. Nothing in this section shall prohibit an individual operating in accordance with the provisions of Section 465.5 from using a dog to follow a trap drag and taking the nongame mammal caught in that trap.
• (f) Methods of take within the California condor range. Except as otherwise provided, it is unlawful to use or possess projectiles containing more than one percent lead by weight while taking or attempting to take any nongame birds or nongame mammals in those areas described in Section 3004.5, Fish and Game Code.
  
• (1) For purposes of Section 475, a “projectile” is defined as any bullet, ball, sabot, slug, buckshot, shot, pellet or other device which is expelled from a firearm through a barrel by force.
• (2) Except as otherwise provided, it is unlawful to possess any projectile containing lead in excess of the amount permitted in subsection 475(f) and a firearm capable of firing the projectile while taking or attempting to take any nongame bird or nongame mammal within the area described in subsection 475(f). The possession of a projectile containing lead in excess of the amount allowed in subsection 475(f) without possessing a firearm capable of firing the projectile is not a violation of this section.

Amendment 5-15-08, effective 7-1-08.

[Kevin Burroughs]

Thanks for the info, that was the way I understood it. I'm sure the yotes would see it differently if they were still with us.

[Bisley]

Ask shoot-it on here!

[ShooterJohn]

Yeah he shot eleven coyotes over his dead bull.

[ehd]

You could argue the point that it was a predation kill.

[Shoot-it]

Yeah he shot eleven coyotes over his dead bull.

It was not our's I sent a few pictures to the owner of the ranch he was real happy .I hope it does not rain in the morning I am going to go check it again....

[DirtyDave]

You could argue the point that it was a predation kill.

No need to argue anything, cuz it is perfectly legal to bait for yotes. (as long as you are not also using a dog, which is a stupid azz rule)

[Thumper Dunker]

What time are you picking me up John boy . I got a bunch of esence of rabbit Im going to try out in the am.

[Shoot-it]

Come on out Tim you know where I live.Let me know what days your off from work you better bring your 243 because i am not going to give you the chance to shoot stix at them ......

[Thumper Dunker]

I will bring my 243 to give you a chance.!