50 replies to this topic

[Yote hunter]

How long does it take them to die .would lke to hear from the pro's on here.Seems like the ones i hit run off and i cant find them.I should give them more time before i go looking for them?
Thanks Henry

[Baxter]

Should drop right there, or die within a couple of steps. Where are you hitting them, and what kind of gun are you using?

[Rimrock]

Baxter is right. Shot placement, plus caliber/bullet, usually results in bang flop. Runners are usually the result of poor hits. However, coyotes are tough critters and sometimes run with what seems like a perfect hit.

[DirtyDave]

Shoot'em twice if you can

[OrneryOlMofo357]

If you are using rimfire Id step up the caliber. If you are using centerfire, I'd step up My shooting skills.

[Bisley]

Or a much better bullet possibly. Too many unknown factors to know what you are doing wrong.

[docskinner]

All depends on where you hit them, like any animal.

[Frank]

If you are using centerfire, I'd step up My shooting skills.

Exactly!!! I've always said the #1 reason for unsuccesful hunters is shooting skills. Seen it way too numerous of times.

But like the others stated, we need a little more info... What caliber and type of bullet in other words.

And like some of the others also stated, proper hits with proper bullets from a proper caliber will usually drop a dog in their tracks. A coyote that goes a few yards (approx 30 (+/-) is still a semi good hit. One that takes off for the next county (200+(?) yards & beyond is indeed a result of a poor hit, poor bullet &/or poor caliber choice. But (almost) always is the direct result of a poor hit.

Practice, practice & practice... And use shooting stix or a bi pod!

[Desert Fox]

How long does it take them to die .would lke to hear from the pro's on here.Seems like the ones i hit run off and i cant find them.I should give them more time before i go looking for them?
Thanks Henry

Coyote are tough. I hit them with big caliber like 280 and 300 Win Mag and they run off. So I have to use even bigger gun like the 338 Lapua on the pup in the picture below.




Kidding aside, shot placement is paramount, and yeah - make sure to use enough bullet

[Yote hunter]

I was using a 12 gauge shotgun shooting 60 yards or so.I use dead coyote shot so they should die right.Dont they need tim to bleed out?

[terrace]

never shot one with a 12 gauge but 60 seems pretty far to me

[Shoot-it]

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[dangerranger]

If it were me behind the shot gun Id pass on a 60yd shot. But I'm not a shotgun expert. 35 or 40yds are my max. I have shot a lot of dogs with a rimfire tho. With a 22LR I expect them to run away even with a good hit. But I grew up in the flat farms around Tulare where I could see clearly for a mile in any direction. if they are hit right they wont get far. DR

[Thumper Dunker]

60 yards is way to far out 40 and under. if you can get them to get 60 yards to you wait 4seconds and they will be 30. You don't want to spray them with your shot you want to roll them over. Also aim at the shoulder. just because your using a shot gun you still need the shot to hit the heart and lungs.

[OrneryOlMofo357]

Try putting a 6" paper plate out at 60 yds. Shoot the plate with the 12 ga and go see how many pellets hit. A good pattern is important on a coyote at that distance. See what yardage it hits the best at and then limit shots to that distance. Good luck

[Frank]

I use dead coyote shot so they should die right.Dont they need tim to bleed out?

ARE YOU KIDDING ME?? Calm down, Frank, calm down! Suppress urge to kill pet cat. Go take blood pressure medicine.

A good pattern is important

BINGO !!! Actually it is (almost) everything. And it is just beyond amazing how many, if not most, shotgunners have NO clue how their gun is patterning at certain distances. That is (almost) like going hunting with a rifle without sighting it in. And is exactly why you're not slaying your dogs immediately, if at all. Our longest (immediate) kill with a shotgun is 53 yards btw. But we seldom hunt with shotguns either.

Also, in our (limited) patterning tests for coyotes, Rem 3" #4 buckshot gave substantially better patterns in our guns than the 3 1/2", dead coyote loads. All the way out to 75 yards. In fact the dead coyote ammo patterened terrible at all the distances tested, compariitvely speaking. Different chokes also should be tested with each load at different distances.

Bleed out? What's that? Ok then, WHY do they need to bleed out, if the dog is immediately killed in his tracks or runs a very short distance & then dies? He's DEAD, why bleed him, unless one just LIKES the sight of blood.

Ok, guess I sugar coated this one enough... Good Luck

[Yote hunter]

The hevi shot web site says it can kill up to 70 yards.I am going to wait for a closer shot next time.I get to excited when they first appear.

[tonyd]

I agree 60 yds shotgun is too far, I nailed two yotes both under 40 yds and they dropped right there.

[dabob]

Even with the Hevi-Shot Dead Coyote T shot loads I wouldn't plan on shooting at coyotes that are over 50 yards away. Most coyote shotgun loads that pattern good at 40 yards do not have good patterns at 50 yards. The Hevi-Shot T pellets have the energy and penetration to kill a coyote at 70 yards but it is just luck to hit the coyote in the right spot at that distance.

With a shotgun no matter what good coyote load you shoot you can have coyotes take off even when they are hit good. You just never know where the pellets that hit the coyote are going to hit on the coyote. Be ready to shoot coyotes a second and third time with your shotgun if they are moving at all. If they go straight down, but they are still moving, shoot them again.

The coyotes that I have shot with my shotgun that were hit in the vitals and ran off usually flop over dead within 100 yards, most of the time they don't make it over 50 yards. You can't tell if it is a killing shot or not fairly often when they are still moving, so shoot them again until they stop moving.

[Bisley]

Thanks Frank, you saved me from having to put it in words that would have come out much less blunt. You are one of only a handful not afraid to lay it all out. Definitely take the blood pressure medicine, but you don't have to refrain from killing the cat, dog yes, but not the cat
I love this line:

The hevi shot web site says it can kill up to 70 yards.I am going to wait for a closer shot next time.I get to excited when they first appear.

They say a .22 can kill up to a mile................. Stop, take a lesson from Frank, think happy thoughts, don't bang your head against the wall trying to explain

BINGO !!! Actually it is (almost) everything. And it is just beyond amazing how many, if not most, shotgunners have NO clue how their gun is patterning at certain distances. That is (almost) like going hunting with a rifle without sighting it in. And is exactly why you're not slaying your dogs immediately, if at all.

I have had two very distinct instances in as many years recently to prove this point. The first one I even did a write up about. Was reminded again this weekend My hunting partner had started reloading shotgun again and wanted to see how it patterned since he wasn't shooting very well with it. He always shot it a few inches low, but his reloads were hitting over 18" low!!! Would have never known without testing.

The second one was back in March when one of the guys I went with was consistently patterning distinctively to the right. I learned later that day he was shooting right handed but was left eye dominant. He now closes his left eye and shoots much, much better.

I know everyone has to start somewhere, and there will be a lot of trial and error, but the trial and error should be on technique, not your equipment (guns). If you don't want to put effort into knowing your guns, or do not have patience enough to wait another 10 seconds for it to come in, or are more worried about killing than you are about killing cleanly, do us all (and the yotes) a favor and take up golf or tennis............

[Frank]

Too funny, Bob... and may my cat rest in peace now

And, you bring up another, primary reason to pattern shotgun loads that I omitted. And that is to see where the darn pattern HITS. I've seen the same thing in other words, where someone's shotgun is not hitting anywhere near the target. Like you say, I've seen them hit 18" off target at 25-30 yards. But lets go "hunting"... whoopieeeeee

Anyway, if one keeps insisting on not patterning & sighting in her/his shotgun, then yes, one better let that coyote get REAL close.

[Yote hunter]

Shotgun you just piont the darn thing and shoot you dont aim like a rifle.I am a
Master at shooting clay target i figure yotes would be easier.
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Shoot-it why the popcorn smiley what u think your better then me or some thing..

[Bisley]

No, but he is definitely smarter . At least he knows when something's not right, just either doesn't want to say it, or is tired of having to say it all the time

Shotgun you just piont the darn thing and shoot you dont aim like a rifle.I am a
Master at shooting clay target i figure yotes would be easier.

Really! So you just point shoot slugs or buckshot at deer??? Coyotes don't fly, they are not birds, and don't get shot at with the same ammo or in the same manner. You have a long road ahead of you I'm afraid. Especially if you do not heed advice from guys like dabob who have literally made a science out of taking them with a shotgun. Good luck, you will be needing it.

[Frank]

Dang, Bob, you beat me to it... I had my whole speach typed out and everything. Oh well, you said it better than I could (again). LOL

Shotgun you just piont the darn thing and shoot you dont aim like a rifle.

Of course you do... and whether the gun hits where it's "pointed" or not, or if it has giant holes in it's patterns. Then again, how would you know, right?

I am a Master at shooting clay target

Yeah, isn't everyone... since pointng & jerking a trigger is all there is to it. You're words, not mine! This gives true meaning to the old saying, "you can't fi... oh, never mind

[Yote hunter]

I don't jerk the trigger i sqeeze it.I know how my mossberg 500 shoots.I know there are skilled coyote hunters here that why I am here to learn from them.

[ShooterJohn]

Pattern the gun you may be surprised what it's doing at 50+ yards with the Dead Coyote rounds. You don't shoot clays at 70 yards do you?

[OrneryOlMofo357]

Since you are here gleaning the wisdom from experienced Coyote hunters, follow their lead.. Pattern your shotgun. Where does it present the best pattern? What yardage? Its important to know to actually down Coyotes. No one is raggin on ya. But you need to know what your weapon is doing. Much like a rifle shooter needs to know where his scope is sighted in. Good luck.

[Bisley]

I know how my mossberg 500 shoots

If you have never patterned that load before, and the fact that you are wounding and not killing coyotes (and don't know why) would suggest otherwise
My buddy also thought he knew how his O/U shot........until he checked (patterned) it

You don't shoot clays at 70 yards do you?

I do......................with my rifles
Damn good point John

[mtn dog]

As expensive as HeviShot Dead Coyote ammo is, only rich guys can afford to pattern their shotgun with it or shoot a follow-up round!

You've been given great advice.
Pattern your gun, let them get closer and pretty soon you'll have those coyotes bleeding out as fast as a clay target... 'Master'.

[Yote hunter]

All i have to say is have you guys ever been trolled.