Hey everyone, so I am looking at getting my first adult airgun and I have narrowed it down to 3 different guns.My first concern when looking for the new airgun was how quiet it would be so the guns that I have selected are on the lower end of the loudness spectrum. I am thinking of getting a .22 cal in order to keep the noise down when shooting in my back yard. I figure that the .22 cal's have a lower max velocity which will help to keep the round from breaking the sound barrier thus keeping the noise to a minimum. I was also thinking tha the .22 cal would offer more stopping power against varmints/pests (ground squirrels, rabbits and pest birds)the guns that I have narrowed it down to are as follows1.Benjamin Trail NP2.Crosman Nitro Venom Dusk3.Gamo Bone Collector Bull Whisper IGTMy thoughts on these so far are that the Benjamin has the best track record (positive reviews) out of the three and is overall a good gun once you replace the trigger and scope, however it is the heaviest out of the 3. The Crosman is more of the middle ground option of the 3, it is the cheapest of the 3 also it is a little lighter than the Benjamin but heavier than the Gamo. The Gamo is the lightest out of the 3 and states that it has an improved trigger but I havent seen any reviews for this specific gun but Gamo seems to be synonomous with high priced junk.I would like to get everyones thoughts on these rifles, and on caliber selectionShould I just get a .177 cal gun and use a heavier grain pellet in order to keep the max velocity down and keep it quiet or is .22 the better option? Also what should I expect for the Max effective range of the rifles? I was hoping to be able to take out pests out to 100m.
I Need Your Reccomendation For My First Adult Airgun
Posted 08 May 2012 - 12:24 PM
Posted 08 May 2012 - 01:48 PM
The furthest out that I plan to be shooting is ~100m. I want it to be a gas piston that way I can leave it charged for a while if I want, plus from what I've read the nitro pistons are what helps to keep the gun quiet and can help the accuracy. I was looking at PCP but it looked like it was gonna add up to be pretty expensive to get the full setup so I decided against it. I wanted to keep it under $400 total (scope + mods). I dont want a multi-pump, I would rather just pump it once and be done with it.
You probably have other requirements like how far do you expect to be shooting and what is your budget for gun, scope, accessories? With a springer you have to worry about the right scope being damaged by the gun's reverse recoil, etc. Can it be another type like pump or PCP?For squirrels I normally think of .22 minimum or even .25 with a barebones minimum fpe at target/impact of maybe 6 fpe with 10 being better but range is an issue. I guess my point is to list every requirement you can think of.
Posted 08 May 2012 - 02:08 PM
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Posted 10 May 2012 - 10:04 AM
You are definitely close with your pricing for the PCP Air Rifle investment. When I purchased my .22 Benjamin Marauder I purchased a package at Pyramyd Air. In that package deal was the .22 Benjamin Marauder, Benjamin High Pressure Hand Pump, Leapers 4-16x50AO IR MD Scope, UTG High Scope Rings and an extra Rotary Clip. With that package set up I think I was just under or around $700. Having a 4500PSI Carbon Fiber Air Tank is a plus and makes filling easier, but if you don't want to add $450 to $650 more to the price tag of your set up you can get by with the Benji Hand Pump. I use the Benji Hand Pump for filling all (5) of my PCP air rifles and while it takes a little bit of effort, it really isn't all that hard to pump them up, just a little time consuming some times (but not too bad).If you do get the .22 Benjamin Marauder, I would definitely recommend using the 18.1 grain JSB Exact Jumbo Heavy pellets. They seem to work the best for the .22 Marauders. I have left my .22 M-Rod on factory settings except for turning the velocity metering screw about 2 turns CCW (Counter Clockwise) to up the velocity and starting with a 2900PSI fill using the JSB's my starting velocity it right around 855FPS and the peak is at 885FPS and by my 30th shot I'm back down to 855FPS. My average velocity across that 30 shot string is 870FPS which gives me close to 30FPE at the muzzle.I'll let you know though, that some guys have had accuracy issues with the .22 Marauder. That being said, what I have found is that many of these people don't take the time to learn the gun first. Many of the just want to shoot at super fast velocities and they start mucking around with the settings/adjustments, they don't use the right pellet, they don't clean their barrel properly before using it the first time and so on. It is pretty important to keep the pellet at around 900FPS or less for best accuracy in the .22 M-Rods in my experience. Shooting with the velocities I post above I have head shot ground squirrels easily at 82 yards, but I've also missed a few too (usually because I forgot to check the zero on the scope before heading out for a day of hunting ).If you really want to shoot out to 100 yards or a bit more, I would definitely recommend getting the .25 M-Rod. It is slightly louder, but you can quiet it some by doing the vinyl depinger and ordering a shroud extension from Talon Tunes. I have the shroud extension on my .25 and it makes it as quiet as my stock .22 M-Rod. Only the impact is about twice as loud as the .22 pellet impact. Also, you'll only get around (16) usable shots with the .25 compared to (30) with the .22 M-Rod, but the .25 pellet will buck the wind better and retain better stability through it's trajectory than the .22 pellet will. I just thought I would mention those things because I feel it is better to be informed before investing in a set up of this cost than to find out later that getting one or the other would have been a better choice. I like them both and shoot them about equally as often. The .25 will hit harder (around 44 to 46FPE with the JSB Exact King 25.4 grain pellet) and you'll be able to use a wider variety of pellets accurately in the .25 than in the .22 (the .22 really only shoots the 18.1 JSB's really good).Well, there's some more information. I think you are definitely making the right choice in waiting and going with a PCP. Believe me, when you do get one and you use someone else's springer or nitro-piston air gun and then use your PCP or let them try it, you will be glad that you waited and started with the PCP air rifle instead (IMHO).I look forward to your posts in the future here on the CPC forum and reading about your experiences with whatever you end up purchasing. **Here's a picture of my .22 Marauder. I modified the factory stock and coated it with black truck bed liner.
I would like to get a PCP but when I calculated it up it seemed like it would cost me between $800-1000 to get everything set up (rifle, scope, air tanks, tank adapters,etc..). Does that sound about right?
Posted 10 May 2012 - 10:21 AM
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Posted 10 May 2012 - 11:04 AM
Yes, I did spray the coating myself. You can get it at most hardware stores. I think it was the Rustoleum brand Black Truck Bedliner spray in the can. You need to scuff your stock with steel wool or a 180 grit sandpaper to rough up the surface so that the bedliner will bond with the surface of the stock. As long as you spray it nice and light and do 3 to 4 light and even coats you will get a good, even finish with it when you are done. The finish is very durable too. I also have a stock that is the same as the one that Brant posted. Mine is a charcoal grey color though (called "Peppered) and I have modified it slightly as well to fit my personal taste and handling, and I'm in the process of inletting it for my .25 Marauder. I'll post photos of that one once I get it completed. I did also inlet a Boyd's Ross Thumbhole Sporter stock for my .22 Benjamin Discovery and I like that stock way better than the factory Discovery stock. I'll post a photo of it below:
Thanks again Air Rifle Hunter, I appreciate all the extra info that you have given me. I really like the look of your custom Marauder. DId you spray the liner coat yourself?
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