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[pveh]

Sorry guys no money shots here just a question. I was set up yesterday, wind from my left to right slight maybe 2 mph shifting to maybe quartering away same direction. The set up is on a slight berm overlooking a wash that borders some pretty thick cover. Anyway I get set up and wait for it to get light then start my sequence with a foxpro female howl and run it through twice taking about a minute. Over my left shoulder I see a coyote trotting from a small section of brush toward the wash. It is up wind and I'm hoping he is trying to get down wind for a closer look and so I can get a shot on it. It goes behind sections of brush and dissappears. I know there are severeal reasons for him bugging out but my question is...the only femal sounds I have on m y callwer are femal howl and female bark howl. I did download the coyote growl and dying jack from foxpro and have found them useless. As far as femal sounds do I need a female invitation or a male howl? Also could the femal howl have spooked the yote in that maybe she was a female in the wrong spot at the wrong time and just needed to split befor she got whooped? Any help is appreciated and good hunting.PVEH

[Yateswell]

I did download the coyote growl and dying jack from foxpro and have found them useless.

Really?Like you said, there are several easons for him to bugging out, and every stand is different. Do you need a femal invitation or male howl? Probabaly not. Is it nice to have it in your call? Probably yes. Sometimes it works and sometimes it does not. It may not be the sound spooked your coyote after all. By the way, You did call in that dog, that was not walking in the park.

[Frank]

It is often time baffling (to me) when they all of a sudden turn tail & dissapear for none of the more obvious reasons. I've even had hard chargers that appeared suicidal only to immediately switch course without stopping & high tail out of Dodge. Even at approx 300 yards away. It can drive a grown man to tears. So, like you say, who the HXXL knows for sure why, eh? Yours are not easy questions, with basically numerous sounds & ways of doing things. In other words are you creating a scenerio, or are you just picking a sound & using it? Big difference w/howls IMO. Anyway, yes, you need more vocals. I cannot recall the female (greeting / interragation) howl bringing in a coyote exclusively. HOWEVER, it has worked Great when followed up immediately with coyote (pup) or rabbit distress sounds. Especially when they have howled back from your original female greeting howl.BTW, not sure what you mean by "running it through twice" on your female greeting? 2 or 3 (individual) howls(max) should be enough with female greeting. Often times you will get an answer back just after your first howl. I might howl one more time, wait for their answer back again & then hit the pup or rabbit distress. This might be our most productive vocals for bringing in coyotes all the way to the stand; Including packs of them. On your female bark & howl I normally do not use barks at the beginning of a stand as they are more of a warning &/or threatening sound vs an "inviting" one. It may be best used after a coyote initiates warning barks or challenge howls. Maybe? Which brings me to the next female INVITATIONAL howl. I like it over the male invitational. This sound is semi productive all by itself. This & the challenge howl are 2 sounds that can be used repeatedly. Stay at it for 5 or more minutes. I'm always shocked how good this can work.You want at least 2 or 3 male CHALLENGE sounds. We've called in dogs with this sound exclusively, including FEMALE coyotes. On one occasion, I had actually called in a coyote that had first busted me & was raking me over the coals with his warning barks. I was SHOCKED to have called him in close from his hidden, far away location, by my swithcing back & forth on the male challenge & coyote pup screams. Talk about exciting! On the growling coyotes, which I have not tried yet, but would likely only use AFTER I received some sort of vocals from the coyote(s). Whether they initiated the vocals or I did. Especially after their warning barks, challenge howls, both or other etc? Finally, and as you know, coyotes often times do not respond to anything we do. And is at least partly why we keep coming back, eh?Good Luck

[dabob]

pveh, check out this post from last year. I used a female sound on these coyotes and it made them mad.http://www.californi...d...&hl=ShotgunThree times that I can remember "Coyote Growls" brought in a single coyote that we could see way off in the distance. On all three occasions the coyote was not very interested in any of the sounds that we threw at it. But as soon as we switched to "Coyote Growls" the coyote charged right in. All 3 of those coyotes were big males. I think the Coyote Growls sound, sounds like to the coyotes, the most violent coyote fight that they has ever heard.Many times I have seen the same thing with "Coyote Pup Distress 3" as soon as they hear it you can see them take off for the Foxpro.

[pveh]

Frank thanks for the info...I generaly have two types of scenarios one for early or late stands and one for mid day stands. The early stands I use a femal howl followed by a locator. This has brought in a good number of singles and packs. The mid day I use a female howl followed by a rabbit or squirrel distress. I usually decide which distress by the number of rodents or varmints I see while walking in. Like you say Frank sometimes it doesn't matter what we do they just don't want to listen...kind of like my kids. Thanks for the info!

[pveh]

pveh, check out this post from last year. I used a female sound on these coyotes and it made them mad.http://www.californi...d...&hl=ShotgunThree times that I can remember "Coyote Growls" brought in a single coyote that we could see way off in the distance. On all three occasions the coyote was not very interested in any of the sounds that we threw at it. But as soon as we switched to "Coyote Growls" the coyote charged right in. All 3 of those coyotes were big males. I think the Coyote Growls sound, sounds like to the coyotes, the most violent coyote fight that they has ever heard.Many times I have seen the same thing with "Coyote Pup Distress 3" as soon as they hear it you can see them take off for the Foxpro.

I am going to get pup distress 3 I will keep the one I have as well thanks for the info!

[pveh]

Thanks for the info Yates. I think I am going to head out to the desert for awhile and leave tht spot alone for a few weeks then go back and hit it again.

[tawnoper]

Creating scenerios? Too complicated for me. I just play the same ol boring sounds and hope for the best.

[ehd]

all to do with the time of year for me. Fall/ winter distress with no howl. Spring howl (any kind.Dont get caught up on which kind ) late spring to fall, pupsqueals,pup distress. Those paternal instincts are very strong. time of day doesnt matter to me.about 3 sounds are all you need. As Tawnoper said , "hope for the best"

[Frank]

YIKES, Eric, and I thought I was mudding up the water (& I was). LOL Everyone has their own way of doing things, which is a good thing of course, & how we (can) learn from each other... Btw, I ALWAYS like "boring" (true story).Dang, all this coyote "talk" is giving me withdrawls. Sure wish I could've made it back to Arizona this month. I (almost) don't mind killing their coyotes during the breeding season. LOL

[ehd]

despite all the hoopla of female invitation, male challange, young male challenge, etc... is a little hopefull at best that you are commuticating the correct howl at the correct time to the correct coyote. Too target specific for me.for howling to be effective for me, I want all the coyotes to be in a territorial mood ,(spring/summer) and blow a howl that lets ALL coyotes know there is a strange coyote in there territory. I NEVER mix a howl with a distress. I never have ever heard that in the wild. with a distress sound for me to be effective it should sound like a dieing animal ,that is being done in by SOMETHING, not by another coyote. So you get all coyotes ,including the young timid ones to come take advantage. Pup squeals,pupdistress takes advantage of the family unit, mom dad ,aunts uncles(we call them brides maids) all come running when the little ones sound off.

[Frank]

LOL... See there, LOTS of different ways of doing things. And whatever works or how one wants to enjoy their sport IMO.But WOW, I am (very) surprised, Eric, at your never mixing howls with a distress. Our group of hoodlums have probably had our greatest success of bringing coyotes to the stand, including packs of them, doing just that. For example, doing a (female) locator or greeting howl or whatever one wants to call it, followed up soon by coyote pup yipes (distress) or rabbit distress. And as I mentioned earlier above, especially using a distress after they had howled back from our original greeting howl. Can seal the deal!No matter how we do it, one thing is for sure (to me), & that is howling adds a LOT more fun to the sport, & also works ESPECIALLY when rabbit distress does not. Man, I could not recall how many times that has happened. So coyote vocals are another great tool &/or dimension to this sport. Just depends on the individual if they are interested in using them or not is all. BTW, I have stated this often, & is another thing that we may (or may not) have different experiences with, & that is: Howling works year 'round, not just during the breeding season. It is what they do, & they just can't help themselves. OH, & that is also why I do not try & "communicate the correct howl at the correct time to the correct coyote", as you mention above. So hey, there's at least one we agree on anyhow. I'll take it! LOL

[dabob]

I didn't know what a male challenge sounded like until I got a Foxpro caller. The "Male Challenge 4" sound is a sound that I have heard for years and to be honest I thought it was smart coyotes that had busted me.Quite often we get challenged by a male coyote after playing distress sounds. When we challenge them back with the same sound we can tell it makes the coyote mad. After challenging back and forth for just a minute or two then switching to "Coyote Pup Distress 3" and then 3 or 4 minutes later "Coyote Growls" really brings them in running.We don't use the "Male Challenge 4" sound unless we have been challenged or at the very end of the stand.