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[seebass]

Does anyone do this? I would love some info on where to buy some birds. I've got permission to plant and train my dog using birds. I've never done it before but would love to plant them for my daughters and to help train my pup. I get her on Saturday! Any good reputable farms out there that you use? Thanks Carlos

[Bisley]

I have never hunted planted birds, but on a good day I am able to "plant" a few birds I have hunted In all seriousness, I wish I could help, but I am very curious to hear what you find out as my buddy and I were considering taking this years rookies (and his old bird dog) on a pheasant hunt in the off season. Kind of a "we're proud of you" hunt thing. So if you do find a good place, please post it, thanks. I was also reminded as I read your post, aren't you supposed to be chaperoning a young one to a safety course class now, or very soon? Or did they already take it. Either way, hope it went well.

[ShooterJohn]

I see two problems with doing this. They are both licensing issues. Just go to a pheasant club it would be allot cheaper.Domesticated Game Breeder's Licenses are required for any person engaged in raising or importing, or who keeps in captivity in this state, domesticated game birds or domesticated game mammals which normally exist in the wild in this state if the birds or mammals are kept more than 30 days after acquisition. Nor person can sell the carcass of any domesticated game bird or mammal without first obtaining a domesticated game breeder's license from the Department. A Domesticated Game Breeder's License is not required for any of the following: License Game Bird Clubs; Licensed Domesticated Migratory Game Bird Shooting Areas; Keepers of hotels, restaurants, boardinghouses, or clubs serving the meat of such birds or mammals for actual consumption on the premises; Retail meat dealers selling such meat to customers for actual consumption; and Public zoological gardens possessing such birds or mammals for exhibition purposes or for the purposes of disposing of such birds or mammals by sale, exchange, or donation to other public zoological gardens.Domesticated Game Breeder's License, Class 1 $19.83 175 or less ring-necked pheasants sold annually.Licensed Game Bird Club, 500 Acres or less $349.50 Licensed Game Bird Club, over 500 Acres $464.00Issued to any person who owns or controls the hunting rights on a tract of land, raises and/or releases domestically propagated game birds, and allow the taking of these birds under conditions that do not conflict with the public interest. Domestically propagated game birds include only the following: Pheasants of the species Phasianus colchicus, including all ring-necked pheasant races, Indian chukar, domestically reared wild turkey, Hungarian partridge, bobwhite quail, Coturnix quail, and other species as designated by the Commission.Game Bird Club Seal $5.00 per book of 100 Required to be affixed to all pheasants, chukars, and turkeys taken on a licensed game bird clubs and licensed domesticated migratory game bird shooting areas by the club or shooting area licensee, or an authorized agent. Seals shall be applied immediately upon the hunters return to a club's headquarters. Seals must remain attached to the birds until they are finally prepared for consumption.http://www.dfg.ca.go...itsdescrip.html

[dangerranger]

My dad used to train dogs and young hunters with pidgeons. We used to trap them in the rafters of feed silos. But Im shure if you find a pidgeon breeder they will have culls for cheap. there are also sented liquids that can be put on the pidgeons to simulate a pheasant or quail smell. You might also be able to get them from Wildlife relocaters that remove them from city buildings. But you will have to check on the legal end as Im shure some things have changed in the last 50 years. DR

[204destroyer]

ShooterJohn is right. I had my own hunting club and you would not believe all the rules, regulations, licenses and so on that you have to have just to do what you want to do. When I had the club I also had 5 bird dogs, I trained them with quail. As long as the quail was not native to California it was legal, I did not raise them I bought them from a lady in Oregon and simply obtained a dog training license from fish and game, and the quail (i forget what kind they were) was never in the wild in California.Good Luck

[Bisley]

Hmmmmm, I was under the impression he was talking about the planted bird club birds. But after rereading it, I do believe you are right John, he is talking about planting his own birds, my bad. I do remember my buddy's dog trainer telling him to use pigeons also for training. Don't know if he ever did or the legality of it though.

[seebass]

I was talking about planting my own birds. like 5-10 at a time. Then hunt them the same day. I get what your saying John, thanks for the insight. I will look into a bird club. I will use pigeons when I can, I do have access to a ton of those.

[yotethumper]

We have been buying and planting our own phesants for years with no problems. We do not charge for hunting, it is only for family and friends one day a year. The problems you would probably encounter are that most bird farms want you to reserve or order your birds a year in advance. You will find that all the birds they have in their pens have already been sold to phesant clubs. Nobody will harass you if you only buy a few birds and plant them for yourself. Make some phone calls, you will find a couple birds for sale a little closer to phesant season then have fun. Just my

[fishandhunt4ever]

I had always wondered about these ads on craigslist (my brother in law buys farm animals alot). You don't have to raise them either. http://inlandempire....2785435535.html***I am not endorsing the ad. Your on your own in dealing with them***

[dangerranger]

Around here the game farms sell alot of birds to Asian familys who use them during holiday meals like we eat turkey. DR

[ShooterJohn]

We have been buying and planting our own phesants for years with no problems.

Were you aware of the laws I posted from the DFG above being that they apply to what you are doing?

[OrneryOlMofo357]

Try turning loose some chickens.. its about the same challenge.. lol

[yotethumper]

Were you aware of the laws I posted from the DFG above being that they apply to what you are doing?

No I was not aware that we needed a licence, I guess we have been pretty lucky. I will defiantly look in to that before we have our next shoot. Thanks for the info.

[bzzrd feedr]

I think if you plant the birds on your property during the season and don't shoot over the wild bird limit its ok but you should.verify. John is right about the licensed clubs. Another way is a.dog.trainers permit. Allows you to plant upland birds certain times of the year at specified.locations.

[fishandhunt4ever]

Hey next time you to do a plant, band some of them. That way when you shoot em', you will get a banded one.

[peeker seeker]

Pigeons work great... Swing tham around and thay will stick where you put them ,the dog will point on them. Go up and kick it up after you get pup steady. After kicking it up let the pup chase it You want to shoot but doint hit the Bird. The pup will chase a few birds but will teach himself he cant catch a live bird. After he quits chasing and is really steady on point you can start killing the birds after you teach him to fetch. If you kill the bird before hes steady or is retreving well your going to be chasing a puppy with a bird and trying to eat it and playing with it... You can also put a pigeon or chicken wing on a fishing pole and get a pup to point .. when he points prays him and handle him . And if he jumps pull the wing to fly up out of pups reach . you can get a pup to point real early with the pole you have more controle over the pup and be done in a back yard...

[bzzrd feedr]

Peeker I think he's got a Lab pup.

[Jim_]

You use to be able to get a dog training license at DFG that would cover you for your own released birds.Now it looks like you don't need a training license any more but I'd call them just to make sure.Here is the link to the proposed regulation changes... http://www.fgc.ca.go...004/677regs.pdfI'm a past president to the San Diego Sporting Dog Club and we run dogs on birds all the time.FYI though, if you are really just wanting to train and not too worried about what you're shooting, pigeons work great.They are easy to get and if you need to buy them they're cheep.We hold monthly training events and have been checked more than once.Jim