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[ShooterJohn]

The earring thing depends on the ear. Left is right and right is wrong. Don't go calling that big burly biker gay when he has an earring in his left ear.

[ShooterJohn]

Someone point me to a forum where you can just go on and ask for a place to hunt. I haven't found any myself.

[rude robert]

Frank, have you ever had a kid pay you to teach him how to through a baseball, or football? All though, your statement it true, but not everything is done that way. Did you ever put a kids bicycle chain back on for them, that wasn't your kid? Did you charge them? Did you ever go over someone over from street come over and ask you for help with something like hold my screwdriver or flashlight perhaps? Did You charge them too? What you never help anyone, that you didn't charge! Has anyone ever helped you and charge you? Seriously, you can't figure out how to invest in the new hunters no matter what the age actually. Then, don't alarmed because the next generation, hunting will be for the rich only. If you invested your time in passing on your knowledge to your sons and daughters and they are not rich. You just through all that away!!! They will not be able to go to places to spend 10,000$ or more to pay for those hunt clubs. So, why did you do it, why did you waste your time and the time of your kids, for something that they will not be able to do.

[mtn dog]

My favorite folks to help are the ones who have been trying hard, on their own, to figure it out. I know they've already learned to appreciate my advice and mentoring. My least favorite to help would be someone who expects me to do it for him and tells me to help him before even making himself known to me. "F" him! The hunting equivalent of a Welfare Queen! RR, did you read the recently posted story about an experienced hunter who tried to be 'nice' and brought a relatively unknown new guy to one of his favorite spots, only to have that guy turn around and tell a few of his friends about that same spot later? That is the heart of what this is about. It has nothing to do with earrings and being 'nice'. For example, "Nice" is not about changing dirty diapers - "Nice" is toilet training. I've lost track of how many hunts I've done with my hunting mentor. We are closer than brothers. However, he happens to have a honey-hole spot where he and two other hunters worked hard to secure hunting access permission. He will not tell me the location nor take me there. I'm completely cool with that. I wouldn't dream of asking him either. His other friends don't know me and my mentor-friend would never disrespect their trust. Do you get that concept or do you think my friend is being a big meanie? You said that the younger generation doesn't care. On that, I completely agree. They are a spoiled generation spawned by the hippies of the 60's. They are largely the generation that voted in Obama and expect a free ride on hand-outs from citizens who worked hard for what they have. Speaking in broad terms, they were not taught the value of individual effort and hard work. Instead, they were indoctrinated into a 'victim mentality' and see the world as an UNFAIR place. Not really the DNA of predator hunters, in my opinion. It also has nothing to do with being able to afford a $10,000 private hunting club membership. I don't know anyone who can. However, if a man could afford such a thing, is he a big meanie and not a nice person if he doesn't invite you along? Does he owe you something for nothing? You are giving me the impression you have been raised to resent those who have earned the good things in life. When did we stop honoring success and begin condemning it? Class envy is a symptom of the Obama generation. After all, rich people are not nice, either, right? Is that how you were taught? Good luck on your future unicorn hunts. I'll open a can of rainbows for you! I don't think you understand that this is part of a greater culture divide. If hunting is dying, it is not because old hunters are not 'nice'. It's because our culture is turning away from the traditional American values, especially as we become less rural and more urban in our population distribution. In a greater sense, the Second Amendment is tolerated by some liberals, not for concepts of individual freedom and the right to protect oneself, but merely because hunters need some guns. Even the gun control fanatics will try to sugar-coat their onslaught of legislation by claiming they aren't trying to ban Uncle Joe's duck hunting shotgun. However, the forces steering the leftist ideology know that undermining the culture that approves of hunters is a major step toward eliminating the Second Amendment. It will take more than being nice to newbies to turn that tide.

[rude robert]

Mtn Dog, did you read my above statement? I never said to that them to your honey hole. Use them to perhaps look for new areas, over coffee perhaps tell them to call such and such blm office or something to that fact to find out about who owns what, then try a new spot. I don't think it is mean for your friend not to share in his secret spot at all. Look I've said this several times, if they are really new hunters they will as the stupid questions the most. Where to hunt so on and so on. I don't really think a hunter is going to give out their secret spots on line at all. As a newer hunter, I have no fear in sharing what little I know, simple because, I don't consider anything I've seen as a honey hole. I have shot birds all my life as a kid, never at all thinking of trying to eat them. I didn't have a clue as to what to do with them, unless they came form the store. At 18, when I went into the army and hearing people talk about hunting for the first time, I was hooked. It took, until i was 40 to find someone to take me hunting in Idaho, his home state at the time, to get my first doe. I read everything I could on field dressing a deer, but actually doing it was a far bit messier. I have a work buddy who at the age of 33 never shot a rifle,gun, or shotgun. Now he has his license and is saving for his first gun. People, are not all born into hunting families and by experience will do and ask stupid things. When I went out with Mike who I meet in this forum, right off the bat, he or I would give each other money for fuel before we set out on our trips. Of course you have to be careful on who you meet, but I never regretted meeting him and actually flew to s. Carolina last year to go white tail hunting with him. Now that I am older, I don't want to shoot game and leave it, but I have on some jacks. Not knowing what things are suppose to be look right or if it smells wrong. I wanted to eat it but was unsure about what is considered okay and what wasn't. I guess once I get enough of them I'll start to tell what is safe to eat, it will take time though.

[mtn dog]

I get what you are saying, RR. I wasn't born into a hunting family either and that means, just like you, I had to find my own way for a lot of it. Truth be told, when I was just getting interested and discovered these hunting forums, I registered on one (can't remember which one) and my very FIRST post was the classic "Where should I hunt?" type question. I think I might have asked about a specific county. Anyway, I got ZERO replies, not even from a cranky 'Dutch Uncle' kind of guy. That clued me in to never ask that but start researching and scouting for myself.There is another serious aspect that is part of the whole scene today. Back in the old days, there was no problem finding a place to hunt. Public land had very few restrictions. Ranchers were more trusting. Life was good, or so they tell me. Fast-forward to today and we hunters are being squeezed HARD. Activist groups are lobbying and suing to run us off the public lands we love. We even get dirty looks for wearing camo when we stop in town for a burger in between stands. The CPC crowd is made up of a lot of very lucky rural dwellers who can step out their backdoor and freely hunt their own ranch or their neighbor's. Then there are the rest of us who struggle to find time and money for hunting, only to then struggle some more to find a public place to shoot. That tends to make us hyper-sensitive about the idea of more new hunters showing up in what few places we have found for hunting. It's their land, too, so I can't blame them. Pretty soon the definition of a 'honey-hole' will be any place where you can park your truck without fear of it being burglarized while you take an armed hike. A honey-hole may have nothing to do with where the critters live in the not-too-distant future. As it is now, even in the dead of night, hunting coyotes, I see that the hills are alive with road hunters and other bozos who don't seem to have the same commitment to give this sport the effort it deserves. Go back to one year ago and read some of the horror stories posted right here on CPC about the deer season (rifle) opener. I pray it is not like that again for our deer-hunting friends but the trend is for it to be a little worse each year.

[rude robert]

Mtn Dog then you should remember the you yourself has new and realize even as hard as we are being squezzed hard for hunting land. Maybe we shouldn't be so hyper sensitive but a little bit more understanding? I agree with you though on everything else you have said. I just know, that I believe that most new hunters may want to do the correct things, but may find out after they kill something, then what. So, I turn we do more harm then good at times

[Bisley]

WHAT IS THE REASON FOR ALL NEW GUYS WANTING TO KNOW WHERE THE COYOTES ARE AT?! WHERE ARE THEY NOT AT IS A BETTER QUESTION! The hard part is not finding them. They are on just about every square inch of land (public and private) out there. Learning how, when, and what to call with is the trick, and there is plenty of that info in the archives here. Let me help out just a bit, againBirds are in the air. Dove are almost everywhere. Quail are in most of the desert and high desert areas in this state. And chukar are in most of the high desert and mountain areas in this state. Find the designated area, you WILL find the birds at some point.Fish are in the water. Saltwater fish are in the ocean. Almost all saltwater fish will eat a sardine or anchovy. Freshwater fish are in the lakes, streams, ponds, and aqueducts. Almost all freshwater fish will eat a worm. Find out what kind of water the fish you want lives in and use the appropriate bait. That easy!Coyotes are EVERYWHERE. Find a piece of public land, buy a $10 hand call, and let your feet do the walking (on public land) instead of letting your fingers do the walking (asking where to go). The best place to find coyotes is OUT (of your house) you can't go wrong hunting there and they will be right where you go.It is not rocket science, and life should not be as hard as some people make it out to be.......................Can't make it any simpler than that. Period.

[mtn dog]

Posted at 1:53 AM????? You given any thought to switching to decaf, Bisley?

[Frank]

Well, it certainly can't be said any better or simpler than that, Bisley. I'm just not sure how much REASON &/or LOGIC has to do with this anymore? I mean, here's an analogy to all the nonsense... Have you ever served on a 12 person jury panel before? OMG, I've been on LOTS of them. The general public should have been BANNED decades ago. The irrational, emotionally dramatic & misplaced sympathy that prevails is mind boggling. No wonder our country has one of the lowest conviction rate in the world. Hmmmm, then again, I was the FIRST one kicked of the last 3 panels I was on. Including the 1st person kicked off by the JUDGE. Mtn dog, there's a lot of good to be said for caffiene. After all, look at the excellent notes you & Bisley wrote. You just quit drinking it sooner is all. LOL Frank

[Bisley]

Part of it was the caffeine (have never drank coffee but LOVE my sodas and iced tea, and an occasional Red Bull when needed). After all I did did do ALL of the driving there and back yesterday (3 hours each way). But it mostly was the still ongoing rush from my nephew's first bird hunt! Didn't think I'd ever get to sleep. Plus I'm a half werewolf, half night owl anyways Frank, with my best friend as a Deputy D.A., I don't think he or I could agree with you more!!!! I think he refers to jury selection as the lesser of two retarded evils. (No offense meant at developmentally retarded men and women, they were born that way) There is more truth to the old saying "You're trusting your life to twelve people who were not even smart enough to get out of jury duty" than most people think I guess I just find it funny how some will spend close to a thousand bucks on a new rifle, even though they have never hunted. Or hundreds or thousands on a PC to ask stupid (yes, I said it, STUPID) questions like "Where can I find coyotes near (fill in the blank)" but they won't spend $50 and drive to the closest foothill or mountain and even look to see if there are any predator tracks on the ground! I'm sorry, but if they are not smart enough to figure that one out, they probably are not smart enough to hunt and outsmart a coyote anyways. And they certainly are not smart enough to be handling firearms also But that's just the thoughts of a self-taught, successful (at times) man who hunts. And I didn't even have access to all this on-line information when I taught myself. And I KNOW I'm not the only successful one who learned this way.............

[mtn dog]

Coyotes are EVERYWHERE. ...

So it would seem!

[mtn dog]

Or you can check this map:http://www.ocregiste...nge.html?maps=1Or just ask this guy:

[Bisley]

Sure, first you won't tell me where your spots are so I don't have to work at it. Now you want me to read! If I had known coyote hunting was gonna be this hard, I wouldn't have got into it...........

[zippy1970]

Go up to Stagg & White Oak Ave in Reseda . I lived there for years . We had a " cat feeder" in the hood & we got Coyotes that would come down the street all the time . My favorite one was the one time a , my words , MORON that was riding his bike following the Yote while on the phone with the city complaining about the Coyote . Also any where the LA river cuts through the SFV , you will find them . Also the corner of WOLF & Flintridge in Big Bear . Saw one that was bigger than my German Shepherd . He's 90#s . Also was told of a Bear up there too . Andy

[Air Rifle Hunter]

Now that's what I call insulating your barn!

[Switch]

This will clear it all up...FANGTOOTH ROCKS!http://www.xtranorma...m/watch/7260735

[Bisley]

I forgot about ole Fangtooth.

[ShooterJohn]

Long live FANGTOOTH!

[Bisley]

I was trying to remember, Isn't Fangtooth Professional Coyote Hunter's side kick, like Batman and Robin. It would make sense. They have a lot in common with the Dynamic Duo. None of them are "for real", and none of them have ever played it "straight" a day in their life........