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[Troy08er]

Looking for an easy to use howler? Thanks, Troy

[Braz]

What size are you looking for? I can sell you one for $30 shipped to your door. Nice wood too, not that crappy plastic stuff you get with the commercial calls. It is also guaranteed, you like it or I take it back, no questions asked. And if anything ever go wrong with it, I'll fix it or replace it.

[Troy08er]

I really don't care about the size. Looking for a female sound. Thanks, Troy

[Braz]

To be perfectly honest, I don't know if they are female or male sounds. I do know they work. Just ask the guys on this forum.

[Troy08er]

What's the $30 look like. Thanks, Troy

[Braz]

PM sent.

[mstuck]

It usually looks like a $20 and $10 put together!!

[Troy08er]

That's a good one.

[PredatorMaster]

Here are two I had Braz make for me.  1.jpg   11.56K   22 downloads

[CA Desert Dog]

The howler tone and pitch question is an interesting one. I generally tune our howlers to a little higher pitch, sometimes called a "bitch-pitch". I do this because I believe that too low a pitch (one that may be described as an Alpha male) can scare off lesser coyotes. The bitch-pitch howler tone is non-intimidating and has brought in all sized coyotes. Coyote sized predators are always wary and by virtue of their day-to-day life, they have to be on alert at all times. I don't feel there is anything to gain by a deeper, or lower pitched howler. I like a cow horn howler that projects a mid range bitch-pitch sound and invites all coyotes that hear it. There are some excellent call makers on this forum and the most valuable aspect is that every call maker incorporates their own ideas based upon their own personal experience. That's what makes the CPC forum so valuable to each and every one of us.

[Braz]

Red you are right on with the tone. I also like a higher pitch howler for the same reason.

[jawbreaker]

Here's one that I made, super easy to use and sounds Like a smaller dog or a female.  howler2.jpg   122.73K   40 downloadsI believe that the horn howlers give you more sound, and higher pitch so if you're looking to reach out there the horn calls are the way to go.

[CA Desert Dog]

Nice job Jawbreaker. If it sounds as good as it looks it should be one sweet howler.

[Troy08er]

Nice link about using a female howler. http://www.youtube.c...feature=relatedThanks guys those are some nice howlers. I have never used or seen a horn howler in action. I never used a howler that much during my calling and only used it to locate.I want to start using it more in my callingThanks for all the info and pics.

[Troy08er]

After doing my research, I also think the best howler is the female. RANDY ANDERSON has some great stuff on the female howler on youtube. I have never used or seen a horn howler in action, those all look great.Thanks guys for those nice pics and info. I tried to post the youtube link on Randy but it never posted. Thanks guys, Troy

[Troy08er]

Do a youtube search for:" Calling Predators 4 - Female Howl " . This shows Randy talking for about 5 mins.

[Rich Cronk]

Do a youtube search for:" Calling Predators 4 - Female Howl " . This shows Randy talking for about 5 mins.

---------------------------------------------I always get a certain feeling in my gut whenever I read about "Female" coyote howls. Reminds me of the time I was calling with a state ADC agent, and we had this large coyote cussing us out like blazes. The end of it's challenge was the highest pitch scream you can imagine. That coyote turned out to be an old male.

[Troy08er]

---------------------------------------------I always get a certain feeling in my gut whenever I read about "Female" coyote howls. Reminds me of the time I was calling with a state ADC agent, and we had this large coyote cussing us out like blazes. The end of it's challenge was the highest pitch scream you can imagine. That coyote turned out to be an old male.

I bet it was one of those gay yotes.

[Rich Cronk]

I bet it was one of those gay yotes.

-----------------------------That may be Troy, but he was running with the bitch and her pups. My point is that you can't always tell the sex of a coyote by the pitch of it's howl.

[CA Desert Dog]

-----------------------------That may be Troy, but he was running with the bitch and her pups. My point is that you can't always tell the sex of a coyote by the pitch of it's howl.

Ha! I think that statement also applies to people....

[Rich Cronk]

Ha! I think that statement also applies to people....

------------------------------------------So are you saying that YOU can usually identify the sex of a coyote by the sound of it's howl? My guess is that you would be wrong at lest half of the time.

[CA Desert Dog]

Nope. I'm not claiming that I can do that. All I originally said is in writing in prior posts. It's my "opinion" that a higher pitched (bitch-pitch...so to speak) will be more likely to bring in more of a cross section of coyotes.

[Rich Cronk]

Nope. I'm not claiming that I can do that. All I originally said is in writing in prior posts. It's my "opinion" that a higher pitched (bitch-pitch...so to speak) will be more likely to bring in more of a cross section of coyotes.

-------------------------Yes, and I somewhat agree with your statement. Non aggressive sounding howls are usually recommended when we are not targeting the dominant coyotes. I also believe that it is wise to stay away from using barks, as the bark may sound aggressive to some younger coyotes. I like to use mostly Lonesome sounding howls, and pup squeals myself.

[Troy08er]

Rich,thanks for your info, couldn't pass up the joke. I am new to the howling end of calling. With mating season around the corner the lonesome howls is on top of my list. On the lonesome howls is it common to hear low pitch howls over high? When I was doing my research, I wanted my howl to be non aggressive, that's why I ordered a high pitch over low. Thanks,Troy

[Rich Cronk]

----------------I think you will be fine with the higher pitched howls. Most of the real high pitched howls I hear are mixed in with the other howls in a group/yip howl, sunrise serenade or whatever. I don't hear many "lonesome" howls around here, other than my own anyway. I do my calling in daytime, and coyotes in my area are pretty shut mouthed in daylight The howls I do hear are what I would describe as "medium" in pitch. Most important for youis to not over do it on your howling. Howl once or twice and then wait for a few minutes before howling again. If you can sound remotely like a coyote howling, you will have some luck. Don't worry too much about sounding "exactly" like a real coyote. Some of the worst howls I have heard were made by real coyotes.

[CA Desert Dog]

-------------------------Yes, and I somewhat agree with your statement. Non aggressive sounding howls are usually recommended when we are not targeting the dominant coyotes. I also believe that it is wise to stay away from using barks, as the bark may sound aggressive to some younger coyotes. I like to use mostly Lonesome sounding howls, and pup squeals myself.

True Rich. I have to admit that I have blown a couple of stands by barking too much. It's a bit too aggressive for some. Oh well, live and learn. :-)

[ehd]

---------------------------------------------I always get a certain feeling in my gut whenever I read about "Female" coyote howls. Reminds me of the time I was calling with a state ADC agent, and we had this large coyote cussing us out like blazes. The end of it's challenge was the highest pitch scream you can imagine. That coyote turned out to be an old male.

cant beat that squall coming out of a Cronk horn. I love that time of year!!  IMG_0371.jpg   56.36K   26 downloads

[tommybuilt]

I think I may have an alpha male coyote at one of the places I hunt. Haven't gotten him to respond to any distress calls. Just barked at us from several hundred yards one time, not sure how he (or she) busted us. Any ideas on which type of howl and what time of day would bring this guy in? Thanks, Tom

[ehd]

early in the A. m. big lonesome howl without a bark. do it a couple times max. wait about 10 minutes and start in on some ki-yis /pupsqueals. he will show up. Wait a month and he will for sure..

[PredatorMaster]

this would be my favorite howler in my collection. Hi pitch easy to use custom made one of a kind. Called in a pair in this photo last years deer season. Dropped the male the bitch got away. Buffalo horn I found while I was out hunting. Sent it to Braz to make for me.  1.jpg   26.1K   21 downloads  2.jpg   14.57K   21 downloads