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[Kevin G]

Steven and I returned from the range yesterday afternoon. I am even MORE angry now than I was at the range. So here we go . . . Get a 100 YARD rifle target from the Range Master . . . stick a zork orange dot in the center, one about 3" from the top and one about 3" from the bottom. Set up on the 20 YARD section of the rifle range . . . set up the sandbags . . . pre-notch them so the revolver pretty much simply lines up with the 2.5 FOOT wide by 3 FOOT tall 100 yard rifle target . . . at 20 YARDS . . . Place and remove the revolver to pre-sight about a half dozen times on and off the bags to insure all is well . . . it is. Kewl . . . Load 6 rounds of Winchester USA 240 grain yackty-smackties into the cylinder . . . close and lock the cylinder. Finger off the trigger . . . settle the revolver back into the notch in the bag . . . dead nutz on the center dot. Aim at the center dot (20 YARDS away) pull back the hammer . . . aim. . . breath . . . hold . . . squeeze . . . BOOM! Nothing. Hmmmm . . . cold barrel . . . must foul . . . allrightfinethen. Re-settle the revolver in the bag . . . target dead nutz on . . . pull back the hammer . . . aim . . . breath . . . hold . . . squeeze . . . BOOM! Nothing. Huh? WTF/O? Repeat 4 more times . . . nothing. Empty the cylinder . . . stare dumbfounded at the target 20 YARDS away . . . check again with the scope on the Bull . . . nope . . . nothing . . . check with the spotting scope . . . nothing. WTF/O? Reload . . . back on the center dot . . . nothing is moving . . . rock solid . . . pull the hammer back . . . aim . . . breath . . . hold . . . squeeze . . . BOOM! Nothing. Wait a flipp'n minute . . . this is a 2.5 FOOT wide by 3 FOOT tall piece of paper and it is at 20 YARDS!! Huh?? Have Steven stop shooting the 10 . . . watch the dirt above, behind, below, left, right . . . see what is flying where: if at all. Pull the hammer back . . . aim . . . breath . . . hold . . . squeeze . . . BOOM! He didn't see squat. Allrightfinethen . . . Aim at the top dot . . . pull the hammer back . . . aim . . . breath . . . hold . . . squeeze . . . BOOM! Nothing . . . Steven saw nothing. Aim again at the top dot . . . pull the hammer back . . . aim . . . breath . . . hold . . . squeeze . . . BOOM! Nothing . . . Steven said the dirt at the end of the range puffed up a little high. OK . . . repeat for confirmation. Steven still says the dirt at the end of the range is puffing up with the bullet impact a little higher than he would have suspected. Fine then. Unload the spent and unspent cases as the range is ready for a target change over. Check the untouched target at 20 YARDS. Nope . . . not a hole to be seen. Head back behind the line and wait for the next round. Load another 6 rounds. Get the revolver all comfy and snuggled into the sand bag . . . aim for the bottom dot . . . pull back the hammer . . . aim . . . breath . . . hold . . . squeeze . . . BOOM! A HIT!! It is 2 + feet up and 5 inches to the right . . . at 20 YARDS! Check the mount, check the base and check the scope . . . all is snug. Aim for the bottom dot . . . pull back the hammer . . . aim . . . breath . . . hold . . . squeeze . . . BOOM!! A HIT!! About an inch from the first hit. WTF/O? Pull off the turret covers . . . crank a truckload-o-down and a tad-o-left. Aim at the bottom dot . . . pull back the hammer . . . aim . . . breath . . . hold . . . squeeze . . . BOOM! I am only a foot and three quarters high . . . and mostly centered. Crank in several tractor-trailer loads-o-down. Aim at the bottom dot . . . pull back the hammer . . . aim . . . breath . . . hold . . . squeeze . . . BOOM! I am only about 10 or so inches high. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR. Bottom the scope out. Aim at the bottom dot . . . pull back the hammer . . . aim . . . breath . . . hold . . . squeeze . . . BOOM! I am about 6 inches high . . . at 20 yards. Consider using a 'really big hammer' . . . decide against it. Speak with the range officer . . . speak with the range master . . . speak with the poor sucker at the bench next to me. Look at Steven . . . get the ?Deer In The Headlight Look?. He goes back to blasting holes in his target with the 10. The range master comes out of the office to tell me to talk with 'Ralph' at the far end of the range . . . he is a USBR shooter (and a really nice guy), a retired math teacher and a VHA 500/1,000/1,500 yard PD killer (working on 2,000 yards). Pick up the revolver, turn over, scratch head . . . ponder . . . mumble . . . fumble . . . rotate in an anti-clockwise motion . . . stand on left foot . . . stand on right foot . . . ponder . . . mumble . . . fumble . . . scratch various body parts . . . repeat for a while. No joy. Something is 'off' . . . really . . . you think so? Could be the scope base, could be the rings, could be the scope . . . could be plate tectonics and we really are in the southern hemisphere and the anti-corrieolais (sp) effect is causing inverse Mandarin notation, effecting the differential split in the opening of the 4 dimension and the bullets are spinning in reverse. I need some of what he has . . . Frig it . . . just finish off the box of 50 rounds and get more familiar with the trigger and the wonderful way the porting causes the recoil to come straight back . . . VERY little muzzle rise. The revolver is a dream to shoot . . . couldn?t hit a bull in the butt with a base fiddle with it . . . but very nice just the same. Down to 3 rounds . . . time to leave . . . time for one last target change. Staple a new target on . . . move to 50 yards (what the heck huh?) and wait for the line to be cleared for the next course of fire. Pull the hammer back . . . aim . . . breath . . . hold . . . squeeze . . . BOOM! BOOM! BOOM! Empty . . . done. Pack up our benches . . . wait for target retrieve. Retrieve target . . . 2" group about 2 inches high at 50 yards. Fine . . . whatEVER. Drive home . . . watch a group of 4 'Donors' on crotch-rockets pop wheelies on a rather curvy mountain road with some amusement. Have cell phone handy to call 911 so they could squeegee up what is left. Not needed . . . though Steven and I noted with MUCH amusement how 'civil' they became when they passed two cops on the side of the road. Get home . . . disassemble the optics on the Bull. My machining of the mount tabs was just fine . . . however, I am going to have to mill the scope base. It is seriously galled on the underside, at the barrel/receiver interface. I am going to mill that sucker off. No more nice 45 degree angle. It will be square and will clear. The scope mount was canted up at the back by about 1/8". The scope is mounted on the very last two slots on the mount (right over the cylinder 'housing') to keep the scope as far back from the porting blast as I can.The Burris ZEE rings actually CUT the scope tube and I must smooth that out before the next outing. I might mill the front and rear edges of the rings so they don't cut the scope. I think I will use some 'friction paper' on the rings to assist in the anti-scope cutting effort as well. Perhaps hone the rings as well. Perhaps (most likely) toss the ZEE rings into the scrap bin and go back to my Warren rings. Even though they are blued and not SS, they have always worked without a hitch. Now Steve can call my Bull the Skunk # 2. I may even break out the chicken bones and chicken blood . . . sacrifice a Red Herring, sleep with my feet pointed due north and only turn to the right when I roll over in bed. Perhaps sleep with ONE sock on while wearing my suit jacket pulled up over my ears with the left sleeve tucked into the right inside breast pocket. Oh yeah . . . wear my scuba weight belt backward (and upside down) for good measure as well. What a mess. I am not a happy camper. I have never . . . NEVER EVER had this much of a problem with ANY firearm I have owned in 40 years of ownership. TWO + FEET off at 20 YARDS?? Excuse me? Now where did I put that darn chicken anyway . . . To be continued . . . Kevin G.

[Cranky Farmer]

Wow, I feel your pain. That sounds like a VERY frustrating day. When you going back for round 2?

[ShooterJohn]

Sell the gun and give up it wasn't meant to be. Someone is trying to tell you something.

[joel1316]

Sorry for your frustrations, but it was a FUN read....

[Kevin G]

Howdy campers,I put the scope base in the hands of my machinist buddy. He is gonna chuck it in the mill later this afternoon or tomorrow morning.There is a NASTY gall in the underside of the mount about 1/8" back from where the barrel channel cut out is on the underside of the mount. The barrel channel is standing proud of the section of scope mount that is over the cylinder 'housing' by about ehhhhhh 1/4". There is a 45 degree angle from that channel to the flat section (on the underside of the mount) this is where the galling is and is what is hanging up the rear of the mount.His instructions are to mill that 45 degree section completely away to the same surface as the flat and just for good measure . . . mill the entire section that stands forward and proud of the flat away by 1/32". It WILL clear and should mount flush.I am gonna toss the second set of ZEE rings and get a set of medium Warne rings. I don't think I can find 'em in SS, but I will look.Skunk 1 will have company now: Skunk 1, meet Skunk 2. Perhaps I will establish a trend and only use Blue rings on my SS scopes from now on. I am really quite stunned at the poor quality/machining of the Taurus mount. I am just as displeased with the Burris ZEE rings. No more.The handgun shoots just fine . . . the trigger is very smooth and the ported barrel tames muzzle rise very nicely. The recoil is pretty much directly back.When I get home tonight, I am going to take the scope to it's full up limit, counting the clicks as I go. Divide by 2 and mechanically re-center the scope. I am going to leave the windage alone . . . I am sure it will be off by some amount. No biggie there. It is the elevation I took to the stop.I might get back to the range this coming weekend . . . perhaps the weekend after.I have a bunch of ammo to test and I hope it will not be as frustrating as yesterday was.I still don?t know what to do with the cuts in the scope tube. When I first looked at them, I thought the tube was cracked in two places. Wow . . . those ZEE rings sure did a number to the tube. Perhaps some fine emery paper will remove the burr that the rings left by the cutting process. Bummer.Kevin

[ShooterJohn]

You should have lapped those rings first and you wouldn't have had that problem.Emery cloth will ruin that scope tube, but I guess you can always paint it. More work involved.Boy Kevin you're a better man than me because I wouldn't have put this kind of effort into something that should just fit together when you buy it.I don't mean to sound harsh but this whole scope and pistol thing is a no brainier. It either fits or it doesn't and you go get a new one.

[Kevin G]

Hello there John,Yup . . . I agree.This whole thing should be a no-brainer.I could lap the rings . . . what compound would you recomend?As far as doing the Emery cloth thing . . . I was planning on only touching up the surface that the rings galled up, not the whole scope! Finger tip work only.I doubt I am a 'better man than you', I agree with you completely . . . purchase the correct parts . . . assemble . . . be done with it. This is the third scope base Taurus has sent me. They are all bad and Taurus's answer is to send you another one . . . just as bad. Been there, done that . . . hated the T-Shirt.You don't sound harsh at all John, I happen to agree with you 100%!I have never had this much of a problem mounting optics . . . EVER. Purchase the correct parts (I did), mount and go.Sheesh! Kevin

[ShooterJohn]

I use valve lapping compound I've got in a tin that was my grandfathers. But any paste abrasive will work. Most scope lapping kits come with lapping compound and the lapping tool. I just happen to like the valve lapping compound. I lap all of my scopes it is a worthwhile investment to have on hand for the future.

[Kevin G]

I will look into a lapping kit, it sounds like a good thing to have.('prolly work better than a 'really big hammer' anyway )Would Cabelas carry 'em? Sinclairs? Midsouth?Thanks for the info John! I shall check it out. Kevin

[Cranky Farmer]

Kevin,I bought my lapping kit along with some other stuff through Midway USA

[Stiff Neck]

I recently lapped a set of Leupold rings using a piece of an old metal mop handle cut off and some rubbing compound I had laying around. The mop handle is 1" diameter and worked perfectly, and I even saved it for next time. Am I a redneck cheap bastard or what?

[Braz]

Yep, but if it works, why not.

[NVWalt]

Dang Kevin, I hate to hear dog poop like that happening to anybody. Get it fixed and come over here and I will take you out to kill a coyote or two so you can feel better, Sheesh, and with factory stuff. Amazing...Walt

[Shoot-it]

I have a question why would u need to lap the scope I never heard anything about that before?Is that so you could get a snug fit on the rings thats the first thing that comes to mind.

[jacksonrh64]

Which particular model Taurus are you shooting? Buy it new or used?ThanksJack

[sum-rifle]

First things first...........Throw the Burris ZEE Rings in the trash. OK now that we have taken care of that problem, get some decent rings.Do not use a chisel on them.Mechanically re-center the dials on your scope.Mount the scope.Bore-site the scope.When you go to sight in do not start at 20 yards.Put your target at 10 yards and save some ammo.It is not the gun.It is the rings and or the scope.Most likely the rings.

[Shoot-it]

Holly cheese balls I just realized this is a old post when I saw stiffys reply .