27 replies to this topic

[offsome]

I have pre ban 20 rd mags for my M1A do you think I would be hasseled by a leo if I were using them target shooting in the field ? How can they inforce this law if there are no dates on a lot of mags ? I have no desire to get into hot water with the law. The M1A could be put to use for home security and it would be nice to run the 20 rd mags just to be sure they still feed good.

[Frank]

Well, first offsome, welcome to the forum in case I have not already done so.All good points you raise... I have some old original Ruger 20 & 30 round clips for my mini 14, and as you say how can they prove I am guilty of owning or using them? And the last I checked, one is innocent until being proven otherwise. But hey, this is Nazifornia, home of the 3rd Reich... Arizona we are not!Now, with all that said, I am still carefull as to when & where I use them. Otherwise I use my aftermarket 10 round clips... which actually work very well. So, I guess a little discretion goes a long way. Just my Frank

[offsome]

I think I will just use the high cap mags when I'm not likely to be checked. I don't want to do anything that could cause them to take my ccw permit as it took alot of doing to get it in the city of Red Bluff 3 trips to the chief of police he said no at first then acted like he was just tired of me bugging him and gave in LOL. Things are alot more safe around me now not sure why he had a hard time seeing it that way?

[NVWalt]

And the last I checked, one is innocent until being proven otherwise. But hey, this is Nazifornia, home of the 3rd Reich... Arizona we are not! Wrong on that one Frank. You are obviously guilty or they wouldn't arrest you. And then you will have an arrest record for the rest of your life. Whether you were innocent or not and it doesn't matter if the court says "Oh, looks like we screwed up and you are innocent, Sorry." You still have an arrest record...Walt

[Frank]

LOL... good point Walt... And in fact is the line I always use (automatically guilty etc). Frank

[.22guy]

I wouldn't worry about it too much. If a cop busts you for that, he is going to bust you for something. They can find a way if they want to arrest you.I use mine all the time and never have a problem.

[grunt]

I have many old high cap mags for my ARs and I plan to use them frequently in my new featurless rig.

[Fjold]

There is no law against owning or using 10+ round magazines.

[sum-rifle]

This is the correct answer. It is not illegal to have them, own them and use them.In CA if they are not marked with a date of manufacture it is assumed they are pre the Federal ban. Now that the Federal ban has gone away I believe companies are still putting the date on them. (I could be wrong)If you have pre ban magazines they are legal. I use mine all the time!Also the are not "High Capacity" or "Large Capacity" They are "Regular Capacity" or "Normal Capacity" or "Non Neutered".......They are also not "clips" for Pete's sake!

[capitol]

The M1A could be put to use for home security and it would be nice to run the 20 rd mags just to be sure they still feed good.

I dont think an M1A shooting a 308 round is a good choice for home security. Well, unless you live alone and dont have any neighbors

[Frank]

10 round magazines were never the question, but rather the 20 rounds were. 10 rounds have always been legal.Not sure who designated proper terms for clip or high capacity? Magazines are usually something we read. Folks don't worry about a lot of things...until they've been harrassed, cited or arrested for it. Wrong or Right! But hey, they (pre bans) ARE perfectly legal... including mine!Frank

[offsome]

I dont think an M1A shooting a 308 round is a good choice for home security. Well, unless you live alone and dont have any neighbors

I thank you for the advice I'm not sure what I would do without it. You are right you don't know my location or my situation. I will not tell you how to defend your home because I do not want to loose track of my own actions with time spent judging you. Take care, Ron

[capitol]

I thank you for the advice I'm not sure what I would do without it. You are right you don't know my location or my situation. I will not tell you how to defend your home because I do not want to loose track of my own actions with time spent judging you. Take care, Ron

Ron,With that crappy attitude you wont go very far here.Chill out already.Sorry I offended you

[sum-rifle]

10 round magazines were never the question, but rather the 20 rounds were. 10 rounds have always been legal.Not sure who designated proper terms for clip or high capacity? Magazines are usually something we read. Folks don't worry about a lot of things...until they've been harrassed, cited or arrested for it. Wrong or Right! But hey, they (pre bans) ARE perfectly legal... including mine!Frank

A magazine has a spring and a follower and holds ammunition to load a firearm.A clip holds ammunition to load a magazine.A "Magazine" can also be a place like on a ship that holds ammunition.I am guessing you knew that though.

[Frank]

hmmmm, about as good a guess as being "Non Neutured"

[offsome]

Ron,With that crappy attitude you wont go very far here.Chill out already.Sorry I offended you

I know i'm the new guy here and I can see by the number of your posts you spend alot of time shareing the kind of info that makes this site great. I thought you were saying that I would be the kind of gun owner that would make us all look bad. I felt the need to stand up for myself I didn't mean to come across as someone with a crappy attitude. How about we start over with a little effort we should be able to get along. Sorry I got off to a bad start with you. Ron

[Bronco]

I'll chime in and just say that it takes a real man to say what you did Ron. Good going and welcome. Capitol (Mark) was just trying to give some solid and sound advice. You will find the guys and gals on this forum are really great down to earth good people. We are not interested and highly dislike any flaming.Bob

[Mayhem]

as far as I know there is no law against possession of hi cap magazines to the best of my knowledge.However it is illegal to manufacture (or convert non high cap to hi-cap) sell, Import, or offer for sell, hi capacity (11+ Round) magazines.Which means if you got them you got them. however no one can sell them to you legaly in california but they can sell you replacement parts for your existing hi cap magazines ... any thats any part. You cannot have hi-cap mags shipped here and you can not purchase them out of state and bring them here with you.If you move here from out of state you cannot bring your high cap mags with you even if they are pre-ban. You cannot use a high cap magazine in a semi-auto rifle as per the AW ban. while possessing the magazine is not illegal having it in the rifle is unless it is a legally registered assault weapon.Burden of proof is on the state and you cannot be deprived of life liberty money or property without due process. I have never heard of any one going to jail or even getting checked for hi-cap magazines except in Semi-auto rifles (AW).And the LE only markers only applied to the fed ban which is gone. so there are allot of high caps people in other states can by that say LE only. A few replacement parts you can get here will also have LE only or a newer date on them.So the state would have to prove you purchased the entire magazine after the state ban and you never had a pre-ban mag that you just replaced all the parts on ... thats rather difficult.Its a really stupid law but it works very very well at keeping you as a law abiding citizen resident of California from legitimately getting Hi-Cap magazines if you did not already have them pre-ban. It doesn't do jack if joe criminal wants to drive to Nevada or Arizona and purchase all the damn hi-cap mags he wants to, then smuggle them back into California.

[.22guy]

You cannot use a high cap magazine in a semi-auto rifle as per the AW ban. while possessing the magazine is not illegal having it in the rifle is unless it is a legally registered assault weapon.

That is incorrect. You absolutely can use a legally-owned hi-cap magazine in a semi-automatic as long as it has no evil features or fixed magazine. For example, a kel-tec .223 rifle, a Ruger mini-30 or featureless AR build would be fine to use a hi-cap in.

[Mayhem]

I stand corrected, Sorry I forgot about the evil features part. doesn't a hi-cap magazine become an evil feature even if it's fixed with something like a bullet button?

[.22guy]

That's OK, it is a pretty lame and confusing set of laws.I think what you are thinking of is using a +10 round magazine in a mag-locked rifle. That is indeed illegal. But if you build an AR with no evil features (flash hider, pistol grip, collapsible stock) and no mag lock you are good to go.Basically if you stick a hi-cap in a fixed magazine rifle (ie bullet button)= instant felony.

[Mayhem]

So let me get this straight for all the kiddies watching.No evil features = any mag cap I wantEvil Features + removable Magazine = goto jailFixed 10 round Magazine = all the other evil features I want.Fixed 11+ round magazine + evil Features = goto jailCalifornia gun Laws = Stupid

[.22guy]

Fixed 11+ round magazine + evil Features = goto jailCalifornia gun Laws = Stupid

Basically correct, but any centerfire with a fixed magazine holding more than 10 rounds is an assault weapon, the evil features don't really matter in that case. This is an important point because some people might think they can just pull off their evil features (say a pistol grip) and stick a 20 rounder in their BB build. You cannot do that.I'll agree with your last statement.

[Mayhem]

Ok let me get this rightEvil Features with removable Magazine = goto jailNo evil features such as a pistol grip + hi cap (11+) removable magazine = legalevil features + hi cap (11+) Fixed magazine = Goto jail.No evil Features + Hi cap (11+) Fixed Magazine = Goto Jail even though if it was removable it would be legal?I honestly though a Hi cap mag would make a perfectly legal semi auto center fire rifle into an "assault weapon"The stupid thing to all of this is the only thing they are really crying about is the freakin pistol grip witch does absolutely nothing to the lethality of the bullet. neather do any of the other evil features.Basic problem is we have total idiots who lack common sense writing laws on a subject they have no knowledge or experience of. It's like taking some one who has never owned, driven, been licensed to drive or even seen a car outside of seeing one in a movie, writing laws into the vehicle code.

[.22guy]

Ok let me get this rightEvil Features with removable Magazine = goto jailNo evil features such as a pistol grip + hi cap (11+) removable magazine = legalevil features + hi cap (11+) Fixed magazine = Goto jail.No evil Features + Hi cap (11+) Fixed Magazine = Goto Jail even though if it was removable it would be legal?

That is correct. The law reads: A semiautomatic centerfire rifle with a fixed magazine holding over 10 rounds.I believe they made this rule aimed at SKS rifles with 30 rounds fixed magazines, but it applies to others. It's lame, but it's still the law.Hope this helps.

[Mayhem]

I wounder if there is any law that forbids the conversion of an AW by this definition to be legal by making the fixed mag a removable one 8)

[.22guy]

Not sure what you mean by that.....

[glane5910]

I dont think an M1A shooting a 308 round is a good choice for home security. Well, unless you live alone and dont have any neighbors

Load them with light varmint bullets like a V-max or TNT. They will not over penetrate. That being said, it still isn't my primary choice for a house gun unless that's all I had.