Good beginning shotgun
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I don't think the 3 1/2" is needed. If you look at the ballistics they don't do much more and they kick like a mule. I think it's close to the recoil of a 375 H&H. Learn what 35 yards looks like and shoot close to that range. The lighter the felt recoil the better you will shoot. I still only shoot 2 3/4" ammo for waterfowl and do as well or better than my shooting partners.
Okay, looks like the 870 is going to be it. I like what Mayhem said about the wingmaster super magnum being a multipurpose type shotgun. Now, is getting a shotgun chambered for 3 1/2" important verses just chambered for 3? And I saw a nice model of black synthetic 870 with a mossy stock and grip but I also like the classic wood look. Would getting one verses the either make a difference in hunting?
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In all honesty, most shotguns in the same price range are more or less as good as the other shotguns in the price range.What I mean by that is that the deciding factor should be how natural the gun feels when you shoulder it. I know a guy who paid well over a thousand dollars for a Benelli semiauto only to go sell it a few months later for a Mossberg semi. It's not that the gun is better -- subjectively, the Benelli's a superior firearm -- it's just that it *fit* him better. And that's the key to killing birds.Anyhow, what I'm saying is that you should definitely research your purchase, but that you shouldn't buy until you've handled all the candidates.
Okay, I think I have my shotgun. While I like the Wingmaster super mag, a bit out of my price, at least until I get more adapt at hunting and such. So I think I'll opt for the 870 express super mag. Thanks for all the advice. My main hesitancy was the jamming issue but it sounds like a quick fix of polishing. And I while it may kick hard, I'm kinda a power guy anyway so it sounds nice. Plus the versatility point is a good argument. Why pigeon hole myself, especially if I decide to hunt something bigger. Thanks all again. I probably won't be able to purchase it immediately but I will let everyone know when I do. Thanks again to all!
Posted 07 March 2009 - 01:39 PM
Buz,The 3 1/2" shells recoil depends on the load. so this is subjective. I found the recoil chart that shows the data you posted but it does not show the velocity, load weight or the weight of the gun on it. I've seen some data that shows some 3 1/2" loads as low as 55'#. There is no recoil chart I can find that shows all common commercial 3 1/2" shotgun loads. So the 72'# is about the highest for the 3 1/2. obviously I haven't shot that load.an example of differences in load are Remington has nitro steel 3 1/2" shells that have the same payload and same shot size but one has velocity of 1300ft/sec while the other has 1550ft/sec.All of the 3 1/2 shells I have fired seem to have less recoil to me then my 300 win mag. This could because of the load and the fit of the gun. My wingmaster fits me very very well. but I will say I wouldn't want to fire more then 2 or 3 without recoil padding. I doubt any one is going to go out and shoot 25 rounds of 3 1/2 inch turkey loads, even when turkey hunting your only going to fire a few times at most, if you know what your doing your only going to fire once.the point is however even if you don't ever plan on shooting 3 1/2" with a super magnum you still aways have that option, where with a magnum your stuck with just 2 3/4" and 3" and with a non-magnum your stuck with 2 3/4".To fire 3 1/2" shell you need a 3 1/2" chambered barrel and a receiver made for 3 1/2" shells. and with a super magnum you can shoot 2 3/4" 3" and 3 1/2"a 2 3/4" shell is not going to produce any more recoil threw a super magnum shotgun then it is threw a no-magnum shotgun of the same weight.So other then maybe a 5 to 10% increase in cost why shouldn't some one go with a super magnum over a magnum or non-magnum shotgun?
Mayhem You disagree all you want I've got both and have shot both, go look at all of the recoil charts they aren't making this up a 3 1/2" has a recoil energy of 72ft/#'s where a 375 H&H has 62 or 66ft/#'s
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So maybe that is what I've been hearing about on the internet from reviewers? Do you know if they were able to get in corrected after sending it in? The plastic trigger assembly is any trigger that is not metal? And I was thinking about a Browning BPS but it was about $200 more expensive than a express super mag. Do you think that cost is justified? Thanks again to all.
Scince he's getting a new gun why not get a 3.5 gun? You can still shoot any load through them. Even if you don't shoot many 3.5 shells it would be nice to have it available as an option just in case he ever ran out of shells and had to bum some from someone but all that was available was a handfull of 3.5s.If you get a 3.5 inch pump gun I'd recomend the Browning and the mossberg over the remington super-mag. I've known two guys that have had them and the jamming problems they had wasn't due to a rough chamber, it was when a 2.75 shell popped out from the magazine and got crooked/stuck on it's way to the chamber.If you get a 3 inch express look for a used one. The newer ones have had alot of QC issues. Don't buy an 870 with a plastic trigger assembley. Those are the ones that have been hit or miss as far as quality goes.
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They were express super mags. I've heard that the 3.5 wingmasters are much better guns than the 3.5 express. I haven't known anyone to have problems with the plastic trigger gouped 3 inch express, just the 3.5.
were those super magnums expresses or wingmasters?
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