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#1 Hylander

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Posted 27 March 2006 - 06:01 PM

I think I'm ready to order an Upper, But which one.First pic is WOA, Second is DTECHBoth are same price, WOA has a vented hand gaurd. ( Wilson Barrel )DTECH has a tighter chamber and Broach cut barrel. ( Olympic Arms barrel )Both will have a non fluted barrelPosted ImagePosted Image
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Posted 27 March 2006 - 08:56 PM

Hey Mark:Have you shot that thing yet.
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Posted 27 March 2006 - 10:12 PM

D-Rech's fluting can reduce up to 1/3 of the weight. His compensator is well worth the money, too.

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Posted 27 March 2006 - 11:01 PM

I used a Badger tac latch

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Posted 28 March 2006 - 06:22 AM

Is this the same upper you've been researching last few months? At least you have it narrowed down to two

I been researching both the DTECH and the WOA quite a bit
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Posted 28 March 2006 - 06:52 AM

I can't see you going wrong with either choice :)Why no flutes? My non fluted 24" SS barrel is a monster to carry!

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Posted 28 March 2006 - 08:47 AM

I have some more pictures of D-Tech's flute and compensator I can post if you're interested.

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Posted 28 March 2006 - 09:26 AM

Why no flutes? My non fluted 24" SS barrel is a monster to carry

Price, just can't afford the fluting :lol: I think I'm going to go with WOA, as he can have it to me before next weekend :lol:
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Posted 28 March 2006 - 09:31 AM

he can have it to me before next weekend :lol:

Right on!! Have a scope and mounts ready for it?

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Posted 28 March 2006 - 02:35 PM

Well it is a done deal :lol: I call John at WOA and ordered it up.20" .223 1:12 twistNo Fluting :lol: Not in the budgetHe should have it on the way to me before Friday.I will be mounting my Elite 4200 4-12x40 AOBut now I need to find Rings, any recommendations, Larue I think it is called that John has is not an option right now, "Budget again" :D Posted Image
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Posted 28 March 2006 - 02:58 PM

Don't you already have rings for that scope? They should work until you step up to a LaRue. ;)

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Posted 28 March 2006 - 03:18 PM

Don't you already have rings for that scope? They should work until you step up to a LaRue. :D

Well yes, yes I do ;) If I had a brain I'd be dangerous B)
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Posted 28 March 2006 - 03:23 PM

Well yes, yes I do ;) If I had a brain I'd be dangerous B)

You just want to buy something. :D

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Posted 28 March 2006 - 03:25 PM

Yes, the Larue SPR rings is what John has. A little spendy, but worth the saving fo if you ask me!

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Posted 28 March 2006 - 04:41 PM

Varmint weight bullets work better in a 1 in 12 twist. If you want to only shoot heavy bullets go with the 1 in 8. But with a tight twist barrel you lose some speed too. I have no problem with my 1 in 9 twist Savage but for what we're shooting the 1 in 12 is the way to go.

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Posted 28 March 2006 - 05:49 PM

Also WOA only has 1:7 or 1:12 twist.1:7 is to fast for Thin skinned bullets, they will most likely come apart before they ever reach the target. Although the Savage perform's well at 1:9 I think they are pushing the limit. Personally I would prefer a 1:10But you can't argue Target's like John's B) I just finished up my Lower and am ready to snap that upper on.Oop's gotta get a Butt Stock ;) Posted Image
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Posted 28 March 2006 - 09:27 PM

What about the 69 grain match kings I saw some very nice groups on another site from a heavy berral Ar.You guys know what site i am talking about.

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Posted 28 March 2006 - 09:30 PM

What about the 69 grain match kings I saw some very nice groups on another site from a heavy berral Ar.You guys know what site i am talking about.

You'll need a faster twist rate to shoot those guys .... I'd think a 1-8 or 1-9

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Posted 28 March 2006 - 09:42 PM

What we're saying is Bullets such as Varmint bullets have very thin jackets.With the faster twist rates like 1:7 put to fast of a Rotational speed on the bulletthus causing it to litterally seperate the jacket from the bullet in flight.Does not matter if it is a 40gr. or 55gr.A 40gr. will stabilize fine in a 1:7 if exiting at a low enough FPS, however heavier bullets like 60gr. and up need a faster twist to stabilize proper because of their longer lenght.Also short light bullets with thin jackets pushed to fast from a fast twist barrel stand the chanceof stripping through the lands and not being stabilized at all and the jacket coming apart before the bullet leave's the barrel, that is why the 22-250 and similar are slower twist rate's, generally 1:12 . That high of a rate of FPS in a slower twist rate than say a 1:12 would rip the jacket off the bullet before it left the barrel.69gr. Match bullets are great for accuracy and yes do require a faster twist to stabilize proper,Such as 1:7 - 1:8But they are not good for Varminting, to heavy. They do not fly very fast and they drop quick.And I don't think anyone makes a Varmint bullet in that weight as far as the .223 goes.
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Posted 28 March 2006 - 10:07 PM

Well in the cabelas shooting reloading catalog there is 69 Gr. HPBT matchking.I am not saying this what i use i just have a 1-9 twist in a 16 upper wydle chamber.I was looking for a good accurate bullet too use in it untill i get a good varmint upper.

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Posted 28 March 2006 - 10:35 PM

That 69 gr Matchking isn't intended for hunting ... I have some in 52 grain for my 1-14 twist 22-250.what is the twist rate of your barrel?

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Posted 28 March 2006 - 10:41 PM

Those MatchKings will blow right though and will probably do little expanding.A better choice would be a Soft point in that weight.Also If its a 1:9 give some 55gr. V-Max a try
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Posted 29 March 2006 - 09:00 AM

When I want something a bit heavier I sure like the 55gr V-MAX's in my Savage with 1 in 9 twist. They're very accurate, I'm sure Hylander will back me up on that. ;)

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Posted 29 March 2006 - 09:39 AM

What John SaidDITTO ;)
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Posted 29 March 2006 - 11:38 AM

Very good call on the WOA Hylander ;) Im gonna use John H for my NM upper too. Spoke with him last week. Probably use him for the 204 upper if I go that way also. Can't wait to see it together, yours and mine both B) Good call on the slower twist for the varminter. The NM have a 1:7" so you can shoot the 80's and some will even shoot the 90's. Not as well as the 1:6.5" but only the high dollar barrel makers make those. Enjoy. Scott

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Posted 29 March 2006 - 11:56 AM

Forgot about the ring question. If your looking for tactical, heavy style rings, TPS is a great product. Looks like Badger, Farrell etc but a fair amount cheaper. Gets great reviews from the tactical guys on 308 and larger. I have them on my 204. Great rings for the price. TPSproducts.com you buy straight from Phil. Scott

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Posted 29 March 2006 - 03:06 PM

Well I orderd the Upper yesturday, they had to build it and test fire it, and it is already on its way here. How Cool is that :P Now that is fast service ;) Although I hope not to fast :blink:As in QC
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Posted 29 March 2006 - 03:14 PM

WOW!! That is FAST!

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Posted 29 March 2006 - 03:44 PM

Forgot about the ring question. If your looking for tactical, heavy style rings, TPS is a great product. Looks like Badger, Farrell etc but a fair amount cheaper. Gets great reviews from the tactical guys on 308 and larger. I have them on my 204. Great rings for the price. TPSproducts.com you buy straight from Phil.

Scott, have you looked at the LaRue scope mounts? They do cost a bit more but they are rated the highest by law enforcement agencies because they are quickly removable and can be replaced instantly always returning to zero. They are really the only mounts that return to zero perfectly every time. I took mine on and off five times and it shot the same hole each time. Plus no tools needed just move the safety catch and flick the levers and you're off or on.Posted Image

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Posted 29 March 2006 - 03:47 PM

John,Is that your mount? My first one looks just like that, but the new model is a little different.




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