Looking at a new rifle.
Posted 28 October 2012 - 05:03 PM
Henry H010 45-70
Marlin 1895 45-70
Marlin 336w 30-30 not really wanting the 30-30 to much but still lookin at it.
So does anyone have any experience with the henry or the marlin 1895 and 336w???
Posted 28 October 2012 - 05:12 PM
Posted 28 October 2012 - 05:35 PM
If money wasn't an issue I would go with a Wild West Guns .457 Magnum
Posted 28 October 2012 - 06:24 PM
Posted 28 October 2012 - 06:54 PM
Posted 29 October 2012 - 06:13 AM
I like that octagon barrel always have like that. Find myself leaning towards the Marlin a lot.
Bisley that is exactly why I am wanting the 45-70 I will be able to use it for deer pig bear and my neighbors stupid pitbulls if they dont shut up lol. Been trying to decide on a caliber for a while and really decided the 45-70 is what I am looking for just because of how versatile it is.
I was at bass pro yesterday picking up some fly tying goodies and decided to take a look at the 1895 sheesh forget it take a number wait and so dang crowded upstairs it wasnt funny. Guess I shall go to Barnwood arms and talk to my ole buddy Joe and take a gander.
Posted 30 October 2012 - 05:46 PM
Something else to consider is the Marlin Guide Gun, the real short model. While you will have to pry the Cowboy Model from my dead fingers, the 26" octagon barrel do not make it a very practical gun. Plus it is almost too pretty to take out..........almost . This is where the Guide Gun would come in extremely handy.
Posted 30 October 2012 - 06:26 PM
Now the Marlin will be able to shoot hotter loads and mount a better choice of sights than mine but I can’t picture a bipod or a holographic sight on a lever gun
But I also love my 71 Winchester
Does the Marlin come with Micro grooving or regular rifling as the micro didn't in the past work well with cast bullets and cast are easy to make and shoot in the 45-70 2400 works very well as RL7 with a 300 jacketed 32 in barrel Smokin! the rear sight would not go low enough for 100 yards shot over the target
Posted 30 October 2012 - 07:19 PM
Does the Marlin come with Micro grooving or regular rifling as the micro didn't in the past work well with cast bullets and cast are easy to make and shoot in the 45-70
Soooo tired of hearing that fictitious rumor. Why do the 39a"s with the micro-groove shoot lead so well? Same principle, same metal, same physics.
Never said the Winnies weren't smooth, they should be as loose/sloppy as they are compared to the Marlins . And the mechanics are so much simpler, making it way quicker and easier to clean. You can undo the one screw in the lever on a Marlin and pull the lever, follower, and bolt all out to clean. It's just their QC that has been lacking for a while
Posted 30 October 2012 - 07:54 PM
Posted 30 October 2012 - 07:57 PM
Go to this link and have a read http://www.leverguns...ove-barrels.htm
Note it states appropriate size for the barrel Over size so people using standard sized cast bullets under performed they had to slug there gun and get over sized bullet
The Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook 1973 data for 45-70 page 130 Bullet Diameter Cast 456 Gun used Marlin 1895
So sizing makes a difference but as you see dropped from the mold its 456 how was the person to make it oversize?
So what mold do you cast from and what size does it drop?
Cowboy rules state no gas check will be used
Microgroove barrels early on earned a reputation for not shooting cast bullets well. In fact, when loaded with bullets that are the appropriate size for the barrel (and cast to a suitable hardness and wearing a GC), these guns are capable of fine accuracy with cast bullets. Some of my favorite cast bullet rifles wear Microgroove barrels.
The historical data used in this article was taken in large part from William S. Brophy's book "Marlin Firearms: A History of the Guns and the Company That Made Them". For more information on Marlin firearms, this extraordinary book is highly recommended.
Posted 30 October 2012 - 08:24 PM
Here's an interesting posting on the Marlin forum.
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Posted 31 October 2012 - 04:17 AM
I love my henry .22 they are sweet that is one reason why the henry 45-70 is in the fold.
Sorry guys, I'm a huge Henry Fan. While I don't hav any of the big bores, I hve been around a lot of them shooting silhouette and they all perform great. And you talk smooth, you'll trash can any of the others after handling a henry. And the lifetime guarantee is for real. Even if they rarely need it. My money is going for he Henry, 100% american made too.
Here's an interesting posting on the Marlin forum.
I dont use holographic sights or bipods infact I dont use them on any gun. Not my thing.
I can’t picture a bipod or a holographic sight on a lever gun
Posted 31 October 2012 - 05:20 PM
Same with scopes, my dad said, if you can hit anything with iron sights, then feel free to get a scope. But if that scope breaks and you cant use iron sights what are you gonna do?
Posted 31 October 2012 - 06:40 PM
Bipods just never have needed one. I dont laydown I dont shoot off of anything for my needs and me just aint needed.
I may put a 3x9x40mm scope on it just all depends but if I do I will use see through mounts so if I need iron sights I have access to them fast.
Posted 31 October 2012 - 07:39 PM
Posted 01 November 2012 - 08:40 PM
Sorry Braz, but the lack of loading gate (loaded from the tube like a rimfire) is a deal breaker or me. Not on a .45-70, uh-uh.
I agree. Even though I'd actually prefer being able to load and unload through the tube 95% of the time, I'd want a side gate on a big bore lever gun. I think it was Elmer Keith that said the big bore lever action was the best gun for the great bears of Alaska because it is fast shouting and it is also the only gun where the magazine can be topped off without temporarily disabling the weapon by opening the action or dropping a magazine box. I will probably never hunt in an area where I need to worry about that but it has always stuck in my mind.
For a while Puma made a .454 lever gun that had both loading features. That would sure be nice. I sure wish someone would come out with an affordable lever carbine in .500 S&W.
Posted 02 November 2012 - 09:29 AM
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