Lead Free ammo
Posted 07 September 2011 - 05:58 AM
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Posted 08 September 2011 - 07:59 AM
Posted 08 September 2011 - 09:39 AM
Haha, ok, I won't be tooooo hard on ya. Actually, I don't really get mad at folks that use them. I just like to make sure they know what they did to us and know that there are other brands to try first. I know some rifles are only going to shoot b....s bullets well and not the competitors. And I can live with that (barely). I just think we owe it to ourselves to try others first. Besides, my dad uses them too in his .223, and I can't even begin to tell you how angry that makes me! But I haven't disowned him.......YET
I'm guilty for a reason. I want my son to be able to just pick up his rifle & hunt most anything, anywhere, in or out of the Condor zone. So far, the 110 gr (Barnes) Fed factory @ approx 3500 fps with good accuracy is the top choice. So pls do not be too hard on me Bisley.
Since it is the exact same material used on the jacket of leaded bullets, I can't see where it would be a problem. Since it is harder than pure copper though, it will not foul the barrel as easily too.
Research the Hornady GMX a bit. I remember reading somewhere that because the gilding metal is harder, it needs to be traveling at a certain minimum speed at point of impact to expand properly. I just don't remember offhand what that minimum speed was. It shouldn't be a problem with faster calibers but could be a problem in the slower calibers.
I have heard LOTS of stories about no expansion also. I wish I knew of some first hand experiences with them. Judging from what I've read (if it is indeed true) it seems like the ones that have had the most problems were the b....s bullets with the hollow point tip. I am guessing that this may be caused by the hollow point clogging with hair and such and acting as more of a FMJ. I do notice that I don't hear nearly as many horror stories about it now that they have all gone to a polymer tip which will help to start the expansion process better than a hollow point. But this is just what I have concluded, and is by no means pure fact.
I read different things about the GMX, TSX & other non lead bullets. I personally believe that non lead bullets are more inconsistent & less reliable as a whole, than are lead bullets. And maybe why so many mixed reviews. Maybe??
Posted 09 September 2011 - 05:59 AM
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Posted 09 September 2011 - 09:41 AM
Hahahaha. Hipshot, that is why I have bought exactly ONE box in each caliber. I use 15 to see what it will do, and 5 as what I call "magazine fillers". As for getting caught with a leaded one in the chamber? Well, I'm pretty clumsy and may have an accidental discharge into the air when emptying it for anybody..........Not that I've thought about this or anything
Excuse me for not getting it.................why bother with this stuff? If I lived in the zone I would carry the legal stuff if anyone asked..................but I would use what I wanted. And for you guys that say your breaking the law...........so what, if I get caught, I pay the fine. No one in their right mind thinks this stuff works but it looks good on paper in Sacramento. From the same people that pass laws about using a cell phone while driving and everyday I see hundreds of people ignoring the law.
Posted 09 September 2011 - 11:17 AM
A couple(?) weeks ago or so, My wife got a $160 ticket for using a cell phone while driving. Her FIRST offense. But I blame that on her... for not being more observant. LOLI just returned from the range this morning testing some more lead free cxxp. Another possible problem is, that while non lead loads can be extremely accurate at 100 yards, they also can unravel at 2 & 300 yards. Or at least with some of the loads we tested. I mean opening up a LOT (4+") groups at just 200 yards. The same can happen to lead of course, but I've never seen it to that degree(bad); at least in our limited testing with the non lead. I also always wonder just how well the non lead really does in the wind or trajectory. Argggggg I've often thought about doing what Hipshot stated, using the lead anyway in the buzzard zone. But my bad luck is one concern, as I have been stopped and thoroughly checked several times in the buzzard zone, and I SELDOM hunt there anymore. My being checked was prior to the implementation of the non lead law. However, I no longer see game wardens anymore like I had in the past. Bad economy is not all bad I guess?! So???? LOLI wish I could say this (non-lead stuff) was a love-hate relationship, but I can't... as it's ALL HATE for me!Frank
From the same people that pass laws about using a cell phone while driving and everyday I see hundreds of people ignoring the law.
Posted 09 September 2011 - 11:49 PM
Posted 10 September 2011 - 06:15 AM
Posted 10 September 2011 - 07:20 AM
For me it is much easier to use lead free ammo that is legal to use. Wearing a ammo belt under my shirt or driving hundreds of miles out of my way doesn't sound like it would be easier. The Condor Zone is not a little spot of land that everybody can just drive away from, the Condor Zone covers about 1/3 of the state. You wouldn't have to drive very far to spend 20 times more money on gasoline than you would spend on lead free ammo. There may not be any better places to hunt coyotes outside the Condor Zone than the places we hunt inside the Condor zone.I don't like this stupid lead free ammo law but I am not going to sell my house and move or quit hunting because of the stupid law!
They have these really cool things out there called ammo belts......the cheaper ones are made from canvas and fit real nice under a shirt .......now they may ask you to empty your pockets but I seriously doubt they will make you strip and they are too lazy to get to far from their trucks so you should be able to unload your gun and throw the one's in the brush when they aren't looking. I haven't been in that area in years is there really anything to hunt there? It seems to me it's eaiser to drive to a better area.
Posted 10 September 2011 - 07:47 AM
Well, IMO, the short answer is Yes, there are things to hunt there... And (2nd), while driving to a better area is certainly an option, it does not however, always make it the "best" option due to... Depending on how much "time" one has to go hunting. I can make it to my hunting spots in the Condor range anywhere from 1 1/2 - 3 1/2 hrs, depending on exact location. My "better" areas can take anywhere from 4-12 hrs. This makes it semi difficult, nor would I want to, run out to these better areas for a morning hunt & return home the same day. A BIG disadvantage for us city slickers!Also, as we all know, the closer to any city, the worse the hunting can be & is especially true where I live in L.A. County. That is unfortunately the price ($$$) us hunters have to pay living here. Anyway, like most things, the harder one works at something, the better the results one can normally achieve. Normally! This is ESPECIALLY true when hunting closer to a city like L.A. But, you are right. If I lived closer to a good NON lead area, I certainly would not be hunting the buzzard zone at all. It would not make any sense to me. But hey, whatever floats one's boat, eh? LOLFrank
I haven't been in that area in years is there really anything to hunt there? It seems to me it's eaiser to drive to a better area.
Posted 10 September 2011 - 08:40 AM
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Posted 12 September 2011 - 10:50 PM
Nnnnnooooo yyyoooouuuurrrr nnnnooootttt. Maybe some Nosler e-tips, but not Winchester e-tips.................. I know, if I were a gun, I would bean A R
I am going to try some 180 grain Winchester E-tip.
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