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#1 Fjold

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 07:43 PM

I thought some of you guys would be interested in seeing this:


Right after the Civil War Springfield Armory made eight (8) single shot 50/70 trapdoor pistols for US Calvary officers for use in the Indian Wars. These guns were originally calvary carbines that the factory modified the stocks, barrel, sights, etc and turned them into pistols.

Serial number 1 is in a private collection, #2 is in the Springfield Armory Museum, #3 is in the Smithsonian and this is #4 that I'm holding in my hand. A good friend of mine owns it and has the most complete private collection of US military handguns in the U.S. You won't find many rarer guns than this. The other 4 guns that were made are also in private collections.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 08:03 PM

Wow, That is very cool Fjold. Thanks for sharing.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 09:20 PM

that's something I have never seen before must have been fun to hold on to.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 09:30 PM

My goodness that thing is awesome. Thanks for sharing such a cool piece of history.

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 03:59 AM

That is nice,and nice to know the history.
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Posted 14 September 2012 - 07:45 AM

Very neat pistol. Thanks for sharing.

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 08:25 AM

That is really an interesting piece Frank your friend is lucky to own it.

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 09:52 PM

That is an awesome firearm! I'll bet that thing is something to hold on to when you touch it off.

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 06:12 AM

Sweet!

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 07:55 PM

http://www.trapdoorc....com/cal50.html

Very nice.

The article says "The only two Springfield made .50 caliber trapdoor pistols reside in museums: the Smithsonian and the Springfield Armory museum." I guess the author did not know about the other six.

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 09:10 PM

http://www.trapdoorc....com/cal50.html

Very nice.

The article says "The only two Springfield made .50 caliber trapdoor pistols reside in museums: the Smithsonian and the Springfield Armory museum." I guess the author did not know about the other six.


That's interesting. I sent the webmaster of that site one of the pictures of the gun above. I wonder how long it will take him to email me back?

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 02:50 PM

Not to be an ** but did you get to shoot it ?


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Posted 17 September 2012 - 04:41 PM

Nope, he showed it to me at his shop in the middle of town.

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 04:53 PM

Bummer .

But fondling counts . I like the pic alone as I can add it to my pile of " rare , unusual , " file .

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 01:51 PM

He is one lucky man with a rare gun to hold onto. I didn't even know that they made any of those. Thanks for sharing.

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 01:48 PM

Very cool.

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Posted 20 January 2016 - 10:09 AM

FJOLD

 

WOW!!!!  Truly amazing.  I am going on72 and have been looking to add one of these to my collection for nearly 50 years.  I first became aware of the existence of such a pistol when I bought "U.S. Military Firearms by MAJ Hicks in the 60s.  I'm sure the owner of this fine specimen knows about COL Benton but if not, Benton was the US Armory Commander of the Springfield armory from 1866 to 1881.  He is also the man who conducted the tests/trials on Gen Sherman's pistol.  In "Frasca"s "The 45-70 Trapdoor Rifles VOL II beginning on page 81 you will find COL Benton's description of the testing done by him on this pistol.  The Smithsonian says "Officially 25 of these pistols were made".  Depending on where you do you research you will see anywhere from only 2 to as many as 50 were made according to Flayderman's Price Guide.  In short there is bunches of conflicting data on every aspect of this very rare pistols.

 

After 50 years I was finally fortunate enough to find and buy one of these pistols. It came from the December 2015 Rock Island Auction and was listed as a "COPY".  I have been collecting U.S. military firearms since the mid 60s and know my way around them pretty well.  My son (who is a gun smith) and I have examined my specimen inside out and every other way possible with the aim of proving to ourselves that it is in fact a "copy".  Just can't get there!!.  My specimen is exact in every detail.

 

Finally to my point.  I would be delighted to be able to talk to the person who owns "The Benton Springfield Trapdoor Pistol".  My interest is NOT to try and buy it and I NEVER intend to sell mine.  My purpose is to be able to compare notes and gab a lot.  I can be contacted at bobkatmail@Comcast.net .  If you could make this happen I would be delighted and eternally grateful.

 

Thanks,  Bob



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Posted 23 January 2016 - 11:27 AM

Bob,

 

I sent you a message.



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Posted 26 January 2016 - 09:03 PM

Heavy on the cool factor!!!! Thanks for sharing :good:


If only it were left handed .  :)






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