You AR Guys need one of these..
Posted 31 July 2011 - 10:44 AM
Posted 31 July 2011 - 02:59 PM
Posted 31 July 2011 - 04:21 PM
Posted 31 July 2011 - 05:08 PM
No! Class III weapons do not have to be just for LEO or Military. But if you are going to sit there and tell me that a full auto weapon is not much different than a semi-auto, you are lying to yourself, me, and everyone else here. We have to be absolutely honest here if we are going to discuss this cordially.Class III weapons are like a race bike, they can both get away from you very easily and hurt not only yourself, but more importantly, OTHERS. We've all seen videos of jacka$$e$ handing a new shooter or a young petite, lady a hand cannon. The results are not pretty. And that is just firing one round mind you. Imagine many rounds in a split second! Do you not think some jacka$$ would do the same with a Class III weapon? If you think they wouldn't, you are lying to no one but yourself. I DO NOT want to be on the range (or anywhere for that matter) when it happens. Natural reaction is to clasp and hold when we panic, which would continue to fire anywhere the muzzle is pointed. And who knows where that would be when they panic?So what do we do?Much like a motorcycle or semi truck, we attend a class to teach the world what they do and how easily they can get away from us. We also cite the owner of such said weapon if they are caught letting someone else use it that is not certified (just like a car). You can preach all you want about laws and restrictions, but, while no firearm should be considered a toy, a Class III weapon is not only no toy, IT IS NO TOY, NO JOKE, AND NOT A TOOL TO BE TAKEN LIGHTLY!I do not advocate full government control and restriction, but some things do just make plain sense. And not letting every yahoo that walks the street own Class III weapons with no training or experience is one of those things that just plain makes sense. I don't mind if you disagree, but I ask you to do one thing for me, and do it honestly. Tomorrow, all day while you're out and about, look at everyone you see walking around. Then, ask yourself if you would feel comfortable knowing that they all could possess Class III weapons. Then think about some of the real "winners" you used to see here in CA and tell me how you would feel knowing they were coming to NV to shoot Class III weapons for a week on vacation..............Change your mind yet?
So I guess what you all are saying is that Class III weapons should be ONLY for LEO and Military because someone MIGHT do something bad with them? Couldnt the same be said with guns in general? I guess I see how CA politicos have stripped you all of most of your gun rights. One thing here one thing there, and bamm, no more guns for CA. The question I have for some of you is this..."Can man govern himself?"Also a point to remeber is this, One who gives up liberty for security will end up with neither.
Posted 31 July 2011 - 07:39 PM
Posted 31 July 2011 - 09:27 PM
Could not agree more! . Stimulating conversation always peaks my interest.I do think you misunderstood what I meant about semi-autos being dangerous. Yes, all guns can be dangerous. I meant imagine a newbie with a full auto. They aren't expecting the muzzle to keep rising, as they panic they clinch tighter never releasing the trigger, the gun keeps rising, they panic, turn, and somebody gets hit. I do not want that somebody to be me. Yes, I have fired a Class III weapon (friend of the family worked S.W.A.T) and it can be intimidating the first time. Having someone who has never done it try it, they can not anticipate what it will be like the first time, and who knows what will happen? As far as the question "Who panics?". Hell, I've seen people panic over missing an offramp or a signal turning yellow! Some people can't deal with sudden incidents.I give all these instances for the simple fact that: If you give one person the right to own them, everybody, including the "slow" ones have that right also. And that spells a disaster. Most people shouldn't even be allowed to drive these days let alone own Class III weapons.!I do realize what you are saying about legally owned ones never being used in crimes. I do not doubt that for a minute. You have to remember, I do not think they should ban them entirely, just train them like you would for a vehicle or heavy equipment. I do not think that is asking too much. Again I ask the same question: Would you feel comfortable with 21 year old person walking out of the DMV after just passing their test, buying a semi truck and pulling a 53 foot trailer with gasoline in it around your neighborhood. Gasoline is legal to purchase. Semi trucks and trailers are legal to purchase. But you CAN NOT USE THEM WITHOUT BEING CERTIFIED OR TRAINED. Trained for the vehicle, trained for the liquid, and trained for the Haz-mat. Is that wrong also. Doesn't that infringe upon our rights to drive? Can you see what I'm getting at? I don't want anything banned, I just think training for an unordinary weapon is not too much to ask. Hell, even the military doesn't just hand our soldiers a Class III weapon without teaching and training them!!! And these are professional soldiers!I have to admit though, my grandfather was Chief Detective in the city I live in now. My uncle is currently a State Trooper for the state of Colorado. My best friend/hunting partner is a prosecutor for the state. This all means I see and hear the worst of people. It may have something to do with I do not have much faith in the average person on the street. I am actually glad to see you do still have some faith in the common man. But I would hate to see that faith in them get yourself, myself, or anyone else hurt. If you heard just some of the stories, that trust would be a thing of the past .Just something more to chew on. Look forward to hearing back. Hope you've cooled down in Vegas, it was 114 when I passed through there earlier this week. OUCH!
I really like this thread, I think its great to have these open debates, its what makes our country the best! I am enjoying this topic and I hope you are too. Something is lost in the text sometimes, and I never want you to think I am being disrespectful of your point of view, or anyone elses for that matter. It's your right to think what you want. Heck I look forward to this thread....lol.Bisley its kind of cool, Im sort of getting to know you.
Posted 01 August 2011 - 08:48 AM
Posted 01 August 2011 - 10:47 AM
So according to your logic, we should all be able to walk down the street with a full auto M-16, with a grenade launcher attached, slung across our backs with the rifle loaded and a grenade in the launcher to boot. How can you not see this as a problem?! You are basically saying we need no laws in this country. Have you ever heard of a third world country?! Is that where you want to live? What makes a firearm so special over say an airplane. Do you think it's a good idea also to let anyone and everyone fly without training. Sure, it would be the pilot's responsibility to get trained and fly, but that sure as Hell wouldn't make me feel any safer!And I'm sorry, but all men are created equal. Sounds good on paper, but we live in a REAL WORLD. If you want to be considered of the same breed as a Charles Manson, a Ted Bundy, or say a Barack Obama, that is your God given right, just do not treat me as equal to them!!!Again I ask you to answer one simple question for me. Why is it that LEO and our Troops have to be trained before being issued these types of weapons, but an ordinary person shouldn't? Remember that even Cops who have been handling their own firearms for years have to trained before they are allowed to be issued a Class III weapon. And they will be carrying them on the same streets you would. Even the Boys that are sworn to protect our freedoms or the Boys sworn to protect us from our society have regulations. We are not above them are we? This question needs to be answered/addressed before any other.I know we all are tired of certain "senseless" laws, and there are a bunch, but we do need some. Sure, Class III weapons can be fun to onw, but so are tigers, RPG's, and A-bombs. But where do you draw a line? And the worst part is, I'm not saying ban them, just teach people to use them properly before turning them loose. And while I do not like laws and restrictions either, I have seen a "department" gun store sell a 5 foot nothing 90 pound young lady a 2' .357 because she wanted more "power than a .38" in case "her ex-boyfriend shows up". I am not afraid to say that kind of stuff does scare the Hell out of me and make me wonder if we all shouldn't have take a one time class to show we know how to handle firearms. Not saying do it every time we buy one, but once on the first one to teach us about them and all the different types of actions. Believe it or not, that wouldn't offend me. I would actually sleep easier knowing that all these people who buy them without having even handled them at least knew something about them. But, again, I think education is a very, very, important thing on every level.
B. Guns should not be regulated by looks, mode of fire, or accesories on the gun. In this country, all men are created equal.
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