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No Salmon Season

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Well I hear it's official. Can you believe No Salmon Season. There's gong to be alot of boats for sale cheap, both commercial and sport. What a bummer.

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For how long? Are we talking just this year or more? I dont do any salmon fishing but curious all the same

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Really? That's hard to believe. I don't fish much anymore, but that's still a shame. Anybody know the reason behind this one?

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The fish population numbers are way down for 800,000 counted in the Sacramento River a couple of years ago to less than 90,000 last season.Read about it.HERE!

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Well its no wonder... Have you seen were certain ethnic groups line the river with shopping carts to form a dam to hold the fish back and they were just loading their vehicles??

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Yep and they never have a license and they don't throw anything back. Those are some varmints I'd like to hunt! :signgreatreport3kg:

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I could write a book about this. It's true California salmon feed in Oregon and Washington waters but it's also true that California, Oregon and Washington fish feed in Canadian waters and every time the US has had a closure Canada has failed to follow suit. In fact, the Canadians have great salmon fishing and welcome US fishermen to the lodges in BC bragging that there's no closure there. Most of Canada's fish feed in Alaskan waters and they get real upset that Alaskan fishermen catch Canadian salmon. In fact, at one time they wouldn't allow US fishermen to pass through their waters on their way north to the fishing grounds. They may still do that for all I know.Some of you know that I have a boat and spend much of my summer on the ocean salmon fishing. One thing I can tell you is that the commercial guys find the fish and stay on top of them fishing 24 hours a day 7 days a week. When a boat has to go in for fuel, food or to unload their fish someone takes his place and they will follow the fish throughout the entire season. There's always a fleet of commercial boats on top of the fish. Then there's guys like me who go out on the weekend hoping to catch a couple of salmon and go back to the marina spending hundreds of dollars in the process. Tell me which guy aids the local economy the most.If you happen to run across the commercial fleet fishing and want to get on the fish with them for a couple of hours some of them will do everything they can to intimidate you. They'll steer their boat straight for you turning at the last possible second trying to make you nervous. If they're serious about saving the fish they'll curtail the commercial guys and cut the sport limit to one fish per day. I think this only applies to the king salmon fishery. We'll probably still have coho. A salmon closure usually puts a lot of pressure on the bottom fishery so I'd look for that to close early, too. Fortunately, I'm putting my boat up for sale after the 4th of July. Someone else can worry about this. Except for sockeye, farmed salmon tastes way better than any wild fish I've ever eaten. Most of the horror stories you've heard about farm raised fish is pure BS. Propaganda from the commercial fishing lobby. Farmed salmon have a controlled diet that they use to regulate the flavor and all salmon need clean water to survive.

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They'll steer their boat straight for you turning at the last possible second trying to make you nervous. If they're serious about saving the fish they'll curtail the
I think our shotguns will be more intimidating :pirashoot:

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My son is a member of the Coastside Fishing Club and follows this issue closely. He tells me that there may be a couple of weekend openings but that will be determined at the fisheries meeting up north later this month. He feels that there won't be a salmon season for at least a complete four year fish spawning cycle.Moe, we haven't been able to fish Coho for a few years now. They are protected south of SF for sure and I think the whole state.We went through this dog poop a year ago with the Klamath salmon. The fisheries folks wanted to shut us down then and they did shut down the commercial guys. Last year the Klamath had an all time record run based on the fish count taken above where the indians took 20,000 in nets. Something like 800,000 fish were counted that returned to spawn.Salmon may spawn on average on a four year cycle but man is not in charge of their timing. If that were the case you would think they would all be the same approximate size. I am of the opinion that ocean currents and tempratures play a bigger part in affecting the spawning cycles than so called scientists think. And, it is pretty obvious that all the fish born in a given year don't stay together once they hit the ocean.

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Pity the poor salmon. Seriously. Take the coho, for instance. They're a 4 year return fish. Not many know it but they spend at least the first two year of their life in their natal stream. They have to deal with the danger of being eaten by trout, squawfish, bass, birds and a host of other predators. The farmers pump water out of the rivers and put the pump intakes near the shore where the salmon spend most of their time trying to avoid predators. The farmers are supposed to place screens over the pump intakes but that makes them get plugged up so they fudge and when the pump starts the smolt are sucked up by the thousands. Millions, actually. If the salmon has to go through a dam it may get sucked in to the turbines getting ground up to feed the large trout that hang around the outlets getting very fat on all that good feed.If the young salmon is lucky enough to survive the dangers of the river and gets to the ocean he still has to survive all of the predators who want to eat him once he gets to the open ocean. On an average he gains 8 lbs for every year he's in the salt but size is no guarantee of survival. His predators just get larger plus he has the Russians and Japanese fishing the high seas for him. Once he heads back to his natal stream he's pursued by the coastal commercial fishers plus all of the sports fishers. When he enters his natal stream he still has the sports fishers after him as well as the indian tribes who fish with nets. If there's no rain at the right time he may not be able to make it up stream to spawn but he's still pursued by predators like seals and sea lions who swim upstream to continue feeding on his kind. I've seen them as far as 120 miles inland when I was fishing for steelhead in Canada. Eagles and ospreys are also large consumers of salmon. The dams wreak havoc on the salmon in lots of different ways. Mostly, they turn the cold streams into lakes that warm in the sun and nurture the warm water species that like to feed on the salmon smolt. It's really a wonder that the salmon has survived this long. Politicians are another big enemy of the salmon as well as developers, loggers and farmers. Just shutting down the fishing won't do much but it will help. I just wish these people really knew what they were doing. No one wants to claim responsibility and politicians who want to stay in office will attempt to intervene for the fishing lobby like our s**t for brains governor and one of our Representatives, David Wu.

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One of the possible reasons for the the salmon's drop has been attributed to the pumping water south and the drastic drop in the delta smelt which the salmon smolt feed on while on their way out thru the delta. It's a real bummer I love fresh salmon on the BBQ. That 41#'r I caught last year may be the last for a while. <_<:P

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I've got a pic.......From what I hear we'll get to fish on the holidays. Memorial Day, Independence Day and Labor Day. No commercial season so we'll get a real short ground fish season as the commercial guys will get some of the sport quota. What they'll do is give the sports fishers a more generous all depth halibut fishery. It will be hard to catch halibut of any size after the first couple of openings. Oh, well.

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That's a whopper! Gotta Pic?
Yep, cheers the big one was 41# and the other one was 37#. One of the guys in our group of boats caught a 46#'r so I didn't even win the pot. :signbummer8tl:bodega7-7salmon003.jpgbodega7-7salmon006.jpg

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If only my native american brothers and sisters were managing the wildlife of this nation we would not be in this mess in the first place...too many european decendants messing it all up for the TRUE AMERICANS by industrialization/commercializations....from the so-called founding fathers of this nation to the current decendant generation has continued the repeated rape over and over of the land and sea of this continent. :signbummer8tl:

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I figure we'll never see Salmon fishing come back. Once they close it they will probably never open it again. As soon as they try to reopen it a few years down the road every enviro will initiate a lawsuit that it will never happen. When you couple this closure with the closures of areas up and down the coast to fishing I feel very sad.

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Don't get disheartened. Fishing is still open in the rivers up here. There was a closure on cohos up here a number of years ago and it was opened back up for sports fishers. Sports fishing is big business and a big source of revenue for the states. Politicians will be stumbling over each other to curry favor. Fishing isn't the same as hunting in their eyes.

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Moe Our rivers are going to get closed by the state dfg. I hope it comes back but the way they pump the water south out of the delta it may be doomed. Socal doesn't have any other water sources except the Dryed out overtapped Colorado. It is a fricking mess for sure.

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UPDATE AS OF noon today Salmon fishing season canceled in CaliforniaBy Matt Weiser - mweiser@sacbee.com Last Updated 12:00 pm PDT Tuesday, April 15, 2008In a decision they called "tragic" and "painful," state wildlife officials Tuesday reluctantly banned fishing for salmon in California coastal waters this year.The unanimous decision by the California Fish and Game Commission closes both commercial and recreational fishing in state coastal waters, which extend out three miles from shore. It brings California into line with a vote last week in Seattle by the Pacific Fishery Management Council, which banned salmon fishing in federal waters reaching out 200 miles.The commission delayed a vote on salmon-fishing restrictions in Central Valley rivers until its May 9 meeting. But it looks very likely that the rivers also will be closed to salmon fishing. Salmon fishing has never been closed completely along the entire California coast. But fisheries experts believe the closures are required to ensure survival of the Central Valley fall-run chinook population. The species is the backbone of the Pacific Coast's salmon fishery and is expected to see record-low spawning numbers this fall for reasons still not fully understood.Commission Chairman Richard Rogers said the closures, together with the state's broader economic woes, pose a "perfect storm" of problems that may drive many fishing businesses out of existence. The state predicts a $255 million economic impact and a loss of 2,263 jobs as a result of the closures."That's one of the most painful votes I think we've ever taken," Rogers said. "I'm very sorry we had to do that."http://www.sacbee.com/749/story/863899.html

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Sorry gents, this has got to have you in a tizzy. I can't imagine making payments on an expensive boat that you couldn't use.

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Salmon is only one of the species we fish for and California has other options, too. We'll still be crabbing and fishing for tuna, halibut and groundfish plus we'll just be enjoying the marina and all of our neighbors down there. In Oregon there will still be salmon fishing in the rivers so we could move our boat to the Columbia or just wait for the run up through Yaquina Bay in the fall. Lots of big sturgeon in the rivers as well.I mostly feel bad for the California guys who have a boat just for fishing the rivers but it seems to me that California has something we don't but I wish we did.......stripers. Which IMHO taste a whole lot better than any kind of salmon we catch in Oregon. (We don't catch sockeye) My cousin keeps a boat at the Delta and fishes for catfish and stripers during the summer and he seems happy enough. It's what I'd be doing if I lived down there.

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A federal judge in Fresno issued a ruling yesterday that requires the state to formulate a new water management plan that will keep up to 30% for the current amount of water from the delta used for agriculture from being diverted. The ruling should have an impact on the central valley rivers salmon and steelhead runs so maybe there is hope yet.

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