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Looks like California State Senator Kevin DeLeon was not sufficiently embarrassed when his ammo registration bill, AB 962, was struck down as unconstitutional in federal court. Clearly not having learned his lesson, he is now getting into a pissing match by introducing another ammo ban bill in SB 124. These anti-gunners in California just don't get it.http://leginfo.ca.gov/pub/11-12/bill...ntroduced.htmlPulled this from calguns

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The bad part is it's probably worded correctly this time and it will pass again.

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It may a very busy road if this passes

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I was at the gun show yesterday, you should have seen how many people were standing in line at 1100 to pay 14$ each to get in. We put a lot of tax dollars into the State's economy. Why would anyone want to stop the flow of monies into the state at this time, or any time in fact and call it a good thing? They say they have California best intention but, they don't!

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I don't get it. Can someone explain to me how restricting armor piercing ammo during the commission of a felony affects me? I have no plans for the 7-11 or the bank.

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California State Senator Kevin DeLeon Please get a life and do something that is going to help our community. Okay?Oh I may be very misguided wanting community value in new legislation...However it appears that Senator DeLeon isn't crafting this legislation wanting to help the community...This drive is all about HIM!He wants his face on 60 minutes. Smile...here ya go buddy :g-hog-poppin-up-ani:

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"I don't get it. Can someone explain to me how restricting armor piercing ammo during the commission of a felony affects me? I have no plans for the 7-11 or the bank. "Two reasons. First who decides what "armor" is? Kevlar plate or tin can? If you give them a way to make a determination to what the standard is that is not specified in law, then they get to decide the standard and THAT lets them put EVERYTHING on the table. Your FMJ 308 will go through a 1/8" steel plate at 100 yards. Is that armor? Could be?Second reason, the bill defines "handgun ammunition" as any ammunition that can be used in a handgun. So, since there are lots of AR Pistols, .223 would be considered handgun ammo. There are TC Contenders in 30/30 so that would be handgun ammunition. I saw some guy at the range the other day with a funky pistol with a separate breach block that twisted on. It was a 308. Now they could consider 308 as handgun ammunition. There used to be a 45-70 pistol from Century(?) 30 years ago. 45-70 is handgun ammo. .22? Yep, handgun ammo.This bill is presented as "armor piercing" language that will easily pass. What legislator is not for a ban on armor-piercing ammunition? The pill wrapped up inside is the unambiguous definition of handgun ammo. The vagueness of the definition is what overturned AB962. With this law in place first, a new AB962 would not have that legal flaw and would be MUCH more difficult, if not impossible, to overturn as almost all ammunition would be "handgun ammunition" except for .416 Rigby and .375 H&H and that sort of thing.

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Here's a list from Bullberry of their barrels. Although I doubt aftermarket barrels in non factory mfgr'd calibers apply but it doesn't state that they don't.Here's a list of TC factory barrels.

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But Bullberry also offers a .410/45 barrel that isn't legal for sale in California. So would that make .410 shells illegal too?Thompson Center Contender Super 14" Barrel 45 Colt/410 Gauge, Fixed Sights Md: 4547 Details Super "14" Contender Barrel Specifications: - Gauge/Caliber: 45 Colt/410 Gauge - Length: 14" - Model: Super Contender - Barrel: Bull Barrel with Vent Rib - Sights: Fixed Sights - Finish: Blued steel - Screw-in Choke - 45 & .410 models include removable choke tube ....

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Notwithstanding my previous comment, this looks vague, ambiguous and unconstitutional on its face. Remember AB962?

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"Notwithstanding my previous comment, this looks vague, ambiguous and unconstitutional on its face."Actually it looks pretty clear to me and pretty nasty. It is a definition of handgun ammo that is quite clear. Any cartridge that fits in a handgun is handgun ammo. The only thing that got AB962 thrown out was that there wasn't a definition of handgun ammo. Now there is. Next time round, AB962 won't be overturned... This is a scary bill.

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It is obvious that a law restricting ammo negatively affects individual 2nd Amendment rights. Guns don't functin without ammo.

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With all of the social and economic problems facing the California citizen, this hack chooses to push this nonsense bill. If he was serious about crime he would be turning the heat up on gangs, But nooooooooooooooo.....you never see these political chumps actually attacking the real source of crime. Nope... they'll never do anything that might cause a backlash from their public. California's economy is sucking bigtime and this jerk wants to pass legislation to make it even worse. It's hard to believe that people can be this stupid. I wonder what his electorate demographics look like? Whe keeps votong for this jackalope?Thank these people: "Downtown Los Angeles, East Hollywood, Echo Park, Elysian Valley, Mt. Washington, Lincoln Heights, South Los Angeles, the Cities of Alhambra, South Pasadena, San Marino, Vernon and Maywood, and unincorporated portions of Los Angeles County." Also, he is another hack implant from the California Teacher's Association. Typical.

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